To: WhiskeyPapa
"Slouching Toward Catastrophe: 1914-1939"
by George H. Nash, Author, Presidential Biographer
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Volume 21, Number 4
Hillsdale College, Hillsdale, Michigan 49242
April 1992
Historians have noted many similarities between Bolshevism and Nazism, and between their respective founding fathers. Like Lenin, Hitler was a revolutionary and a self- proclaimed socialist, although his variant was called "national socialism" rather than international. Like Lenin, Hitler was anti-Christian and totally without moral scruples. Like Lenin, he conceived of politics in military terms and instituted an apparatus of state violence never before seen on earth. But whereas for Leninists the meaning of existence was class struggle, for Nazis the engine of history was racial struggle. In short, and, again, as other historians have observed, Hitler's world view was a form of Social Darwinism -- the notion, put crudely, of "the survival of the fittest." For Hitler and his followers, the essence of social evolution was not economic but ethnic.
From the start the Trotskyists were a minority in a period of general political reaction: few in number, they were also persecuted by the Fascistic government of Uriburu. [1] The possibilities of developing an important faction within the PCA, as happened in Chile and Brazil, disappeared. Paradoxically, the first upsurge and the reemergence of the workers movement in 1933-36 strengthened the PCA most of all which, from then on, would have a decisive influence on the destiny of the organised proletariat. From that moment the initial nucleus of the Opposition disappeared, literally without trace. Aid came in the form of much younger and inexperienced militants, although these did include an ex-Anarchist trade unionist expelled by the PCA. The weakness of the Trotskyists did not stop the PCA from enthusiastically joining the campaign against Hitler-Trotskyism launched by the Communist International and the CPSU, a witch-hunt made worse by the already reactionary nature of the period, symbolised by the Fascist Minister of the Interior, Sanchez Sorondo. (He had proposed that the workers continue wearing their working clothes in their homes and on the streets to distinguish them). [2]
www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/arg01.htm
Of course you can make the specious claim that Trotskyism isn't socialism, but very few people are buying your stuff as it is.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/young5.html
http://www.chuckmorse.com/nazism_is_leftwing.html
And since you asked for SOME: Margaret Sanger admired Hitler and adopted policies
Ernst Haeckel
The Monist League that he had founded and led, though it included a wing of pacifists and leftists, made a comfortable transition to active support for Hitler." (Gould, Stephen J. [Professor of Zoology and Geology, Harvard University], "Ontogeny and Phylogeny," Belknap Press: Cambridge MA, 1977, pp.77-78).
Plenty more if you care to search. Socialism is as socialism does. However, if you insist that socialism is an international phenomenon and not a nationalist phenomenon, why then, ALL socialist nations are in fact fascist instead.
Please also note that Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky also shared another commonality. They all sought to implement socialism. The differences in the methods they chose for implementation led most of them to become the most vicious of enemies.
To: Maelstrom
However, if you insist that socialism is an international phenomenon and not a nationalist phenomenon, why then, ALL socialist nations are in fact fascist instead. I'm saying in its purest form that Socialism is international in nature and that it posits the brotherhood of all workers. Hitler didn't care a fig about that. The international nature of pure socialism would by definition, preclude nationalism.
I'm not saying that you can't apply socialist principals to national units. I'm sorry if I gave any other impression.
Walt
To: Maelstrom
Of course you can make the specious claim that Trotskyism isn't socialism, but very few people are buying your stuff as it is. You never heard of the Wobblies?
From a phamplet of 1924 called "One Big Union":
"The workers of the world, conscious of their historic mission, will learn to avoid the mistakes they would make should they depend on other forces than their own industrial power for the solution of the world's problem. Agencies and institutions deriving their lease of life from the industrial masters of today cannot be looked to for support. They may feign being in favor of radical changes in the effects. They will, however, strenuously, even violently oppose any attempt at destroying the base, or the cause. They will strive to perpetuate the wages system at all costs.
The working class alone is interested in the removal of industrial inequality, and that can only be accomplished by a revolution of the industrial system. The workers, in their collectivity, must take over and operate all the essential industrial institutions, the means of production and distribution, for the well-being of all the human elements comprising the international wealth producers."
http://jdcrutch.home.mindspring.com/i/obu-iww.htm
Socialism, it its purest form, is international in nature, and by definition precludes nationalism.
Walt
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