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Evidence Builds for DeLorenzo's Lincoln
October 16, 2002 | Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 11/11/2002 1:23:27 PM PST by l8pilot

Evidence Builds for DiLorenzo’s Lincoln by Paul Craig Roberts

In an excellent piece of historical research and economic exposition, two economics professors, Robert A. McGuire of the University of Akron and T. Norman Van Cott of Ball State University, have provided independent evidence for Thomas J. Dilorenzo’s thesis that tariffs played a bigger role in causing the Civil War than slavery.

In The Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo argues that President Lincoln invaded the secessionist South in order to hold on to the tariff revenues with which to subsidize Northern industry and build an American Empire. In "The Confederate Constitution, Tariffs, and the Laffer Relationship" (Economic Inquiry, Vol. 40, No. 3, July 2002), McGuire and Van Cott show that the Confederate Constitution explicitly prohibits tariff revenues from being used "to promote or foster any branch of industry." By prohibiting subsidies to industries and tariffs high enough to be protective, the Confederates located their tax on the lower end of the "Laffer curve."

The Confederate Constitution reflected the argument of John C. Calhoun against the 1828 Tariff of Abominations. Calhoun argued that the U.S. Constitution granted the tariff "as a tax power for the sole purpose of revenue – a power in its nature essentially different from that of imposing protective or prohibitory duties."

McGuire and Van Cott conclude that the tariff issue was a major factor in North-South tensions. Higher tariffs were "a key plank in the August 1860 Republican party platform. . . . northern politicians overall wanted dramatically higher tariff rates; Southern politicians did not."

"The handwriting was on the wall for the South," which clearly understood that remaining in the union meant certain tax exploitation for the benefit of the north.

October 16, 2002

Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions Evidence Builds for DiLorenzo’s Lincoln by Paul Craig Roberts

In an excellent piece of historical research and economic exposition, two economics professors, Robert A. McGuire of the University of Akron and T. Norman Van Cott of Ball State University, have provided independent evidence for Thomas J. Dilorenzo’s thesis that tariffs played a bigger role in causing the Civil War than slavery.

In The Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo argues that President Lincoln invaded the secessionist South in order to hold on to the tariff revenues with which to subsidize Northern industry and build an American Empire. In "The Confederate Constitution, Tariffs, and the Laffer Relationship" (Economic Inquiry, Vol. 40, No. 3, July 2002), McGuire and Van Cott show that the Confederate Constitution explicitly prohibits tariff revenues from being used "to promote or foster any branch of industry." By prohibiting subsidies to industries and tariffs high enough to be protective, the Confederates located their tax on the lower end of the "Laffer curve."

The Confederate Constitution reflected the argument of John C. Calhoun against the 1828 Tariff of Abominations. Calhoun argued that the U.S. Constitution granted the tariff "as a tax power for the sole purpose of revenue – a power in its nature essentially different from that of imposing protective or prohibitory duties."

McGuire and Van Cott conclude that the tariff issue was a major factor in North-South tensions. Higher tariffs were "a key plank in the August 1860 Republican party platform. . . . northern politicians overall wanted dramatically higher tariff rates; Southern politicians did not."

"The handwriting was on the wall for the South," which clearly understood that remaining in the union meant certain tax exploitation for the benefit of the north.

October 16, 2002

Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions


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To: Mudboy Slim
I'd say: 'delete effete elites'.

Walt

381 posted on 11/14/2002 1:11:13 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"Can I quote you on that?"

You just did...what'cher point?!!

MUD

382 posted on 11/14/2002 1:14:10 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
"Can I quote you on that?"

You just did...what'cher point?!!Hmmm...I don't remember.

Hey, you don't want to burn the Constitution by any chance, do you?

Walt

383 posted on 11/14/2002 1:17:34 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa; sultan88; yankhater; Landru; M Kehoe
"'delete effete elites'."

Why, Papa?! Are YOU an EffeteElite?!

Admit it NOW, Ol' Man...cleanse thy soul and be FRee...MUD

384 posted on 11/14/2002 1:17:38 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: WhiskeyPapa; sultan88; jla; yankhater; hchutch; maxwell; Corin Stormhands; MadIvan; Happygal
"...you don't want to burn the Constitution by any chance, do you?"

The Constitution is my FRiend...actually, I am a FRiend Of the Constitution of the United States...F.O.C.U.S.

LOL...MUD

385 posted on 11/14/2002 1:22:20 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"Walt"

Can I quote you on that?!

MUD

386 posted on 11/14/2002 1:24:52 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: WhiskeyPapa; ArneFufkin; Snow Bunny; FallGuy; Billie; ST.LOUIE1; coteblanche; JohnHuang2; x
"I am a FRiend Of the Constitution of the United States...F.O.C.U.S."

Yes, my embittered Northern FRiend...FOCUS!!

FReegards...MUD

BTW, AF...be gracious in yer apology to Ms. Bunny!!!

387 posted on 11/14/2002 1:28:54 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: stand watie
there is nothing serbian about wanting FREEDOM for the southland.

No, but there is something Serbian about obsessing over a decisive defeat your side suffered generations ago. We won, you lost, GET OVER IT. Who do you think you are, Al Gore?

there is plenty of room on the north american continent for six free countries.

Why stop there? There are 3066 counties in the United States. Why not make each one sovereign? Devolution is the name of the game!

the old rebel familes have NOT forgotten the taste we had of liberty between 1861-1865. and we will not EVER forget.

Taste of freedom? "Freedom" must have been the only thing your ancestors tasted, since the armed port closings and occupation of the Mississippi reduced most of the South to starvation. But be my guest if you ever want to go to Vicksburg to eat rats and mules.

as was done when Czechoslovakia became the Czech Republic & Slovakia.

Wish away. It ain't goin to happen. But even if it did, the South would probably do about as well as Slovakia did after it bit the hand that fed it.

free dixie and THEN curse us to your heart's content.

Why waste my time cursing folks I don't take seriously?

388 posted on 11/14/2002 1:35:19 PM PST by andy_card
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To: Mudboy Slim
chattal slavery was WRONG for the WHOLE NATION. the damnyankees wouyld like to say it was a southern thing, but alas for them it was NOT! they freed THEIR slaves long after Richmond fell.

free dixie,sw

389 posted on 11/14/2002 2:22:21 PM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
"they freed THEIR slaves long after Richmond fell."

Can you tell us what "Yankee" states freed their slaves "long after Richmond fell"?

390 posted on 11/14/2002 2:27:12 PM PST by Ditto
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To: andy_card
Why not hold YOURS....they also said the Soviet Union would never fall, and Hitler said the Third Reich would last a thousand years.....

An Independent Southern Nation isn't as farfetched as it seems....all we need are a few William Jefferson Clintons, and the ball will begin to roll......
391 posted on 11/14/2002 3:51:05 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
...all we need are a few William Jefferson Clintons, and the ball will begin to roll......

And your Independent Southern Nation would be welcome to them.

392 posted on 11/14/2002 5:02:44 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: drjimmy
Your immmaturity is breathtaking and to exact a lucid sentence, three in a row, astounding. Rude to boot.
You must be an exercised, rude, middle child, like my
brother....Is that you John????
393 posted on 11/14/2002 7:35:58 PM PST by Knight Templar
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To: TexConfederate1861
Why not hold YOURS....they also said the Soviet Union would never fall, and Hitler said the Third Reich would last a thousand years.....

KOOK ALERT

Oh yes. The United States of America = Nazi Germany. That'll get you far on this forum.

394 posted on 11/14/2002 7:54:34 PM PST by andy_card
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To: TexConfederate1861
An Independent Southern Nation isn't as farfetched as it seems....all we need are a few William Jefferson Clintons, and the ball will begin to roll......

Hell, you produced Clinton. You produce any more, and we'll expell the South from the Union, by force if necessary.

395 posted on 11/14/2002 7:56:02 PM PST by andy_card
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To: Non-Sequitur
And your Independent Southern Nation would be welcome to them.

That's funny. While Clinton never had much trouble winning the liberal stronghold states of yankeeland, last I checked he was never able to win a solid block in the South. Arkansas may have produced him, but your neck of the woods plus Walt elected him.

396 posted on 11/14/2002 10:59:58 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
...but your neck of the woods plus Walt elected him.

Don't blame my neck of the woods, we went for the Republican both times. And don't try and disown him, either. Clinton was your gift to the North and in an independent confederacy he probably would have done just fine.

397 posted on 11/15/2002 3:36:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
Walt elected him.

Wow, such power.

I voted for Clinton in '92 and based on what I knew then, it was the right call.

It shouldn't be forgotten that it was "Mr. Ambassador to China, head of the CIA, VP for eight years" George Bush Sr. who maladroitly stumbled into a major war in the Persian Gulf. The military made him look pretty good, but he was still -- and still is -- an idiot.

Surely people remember how he urged the Kurds and Shi'ites to rise up and overthrow Saddam Hussein, and then, when they attempted to do that, with every expectation of U.S. help, he left them hanging. This led to very bad suffering by a lot of people who'd done nothing more than trust him. Remember the video of these poor people fleeing on foot in very extreme weather, with nothing to eat?

Don't forget that he pardoned Admiral Poindexter, Caspar Wienburger and others late in 1992 to keep them out of prison. That of course was over Iran-Contra, which he denied knowing about, but in which the record shows he was fully involved.

People shouldn't have short memories in these issues.

Do you think Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11? It's pretty much accepted that the 1993 attack on the WTC was the work of his agents. They've been running some commercials for some sort of memorial thing for the victims of 9/11. It shows a beautiful little 4 year old girl who was a passenger on one of the airliners. Then they cut to GEORGE BUSH Sr., who (if you think Saddam was involved) was a major reason this little girl was killed. That commercial makes me gag.

George Bush Sr. will -always- be remembered as one of the very worst presidents.

Walt

398 posted on 11/15/2002 5:41:04 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
As I indicated in my previous post, it was George Bush Sr. who openly encouraged the Shi'ites and Kurds to revolt against Saddam Hussein, and then left them hanging -- I suppose he just lost his nerve, but who knows.

What -is- easy to extrapolate is that now that we have decided to get rid of Hussein, we need those people. And thanks to George Bush Sr., they are pretty skeptical of us, and with very good reason. That's probably going to be a really big factor in a war in Iraq. Just keep that in mind as you relish the end of Hussein.

Walt

399 posted on 11/15/2002 5:56:58 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: PeaRidge
Southerners adhered to a model of a community of states, with the citizens in their respective states functioning as the repositories of sovereignty and thus controlling their own social and economic interests.

Hmmmm.....I can think of two Virginians named James Madison and George Washington who didn't think that.

Walt

400 posted on 11/15/2002 7:13:05 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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