Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Evidence Builds for DeLorenzo's Lincoln
October 16, 2002 | Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 11/11/2002 1:23:27 PM PST by l8pilot

Evidence Builds for DiLorenzo’s Lincoln by Paul Craig Roberts

In an excellent piece of historical research and economic exposition, two economics professors, Robert A. McGuire of the University of Akron and T. Norman Van Cott of Ball State University, have provided independent evidence for Thomas J. Dilorenzo’s thesis that tariffs played a bigger role in causing the Civil War than slavery.

In The Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo argues that President Lincoln invaded the secessionist South in order to hold on to the tariff revenues with which to subsidize Northern industry and build an American Empire. In "The Confederate Constitution, Tariffs, and the Laffer Relationship" (Economic Inquiry, Vol. 40, No. 3, July 2002), McGuire and Van Cott show that the Confederate Constitution explicitly prohibits tariff revenues from being used "to promote or foster any branch of industry." By prohibiting subsidies to industries and tariffs high enough to be protective, the Confederates located their tax on the lower end of the "Laffer curve."

The Confederate Constitution reflected the argument of John C. Calhoun against the 1828 Tariff of Abominations. Calhoun argued that the U.S. Constitution granted the tariff "as a tax power for the sole purpose of revenue – a power in its nature essentially different from that of imposing protective or prohibitory duties."

McGuire and Van Cott conclude that the tariff issue was a major factor in North-South tensions. Higher tariffs were "a key plank in the August 1860 Republican party platform. . . . northern politicians overall wanted dramatically higher tariff rates; Southern politicians did not."

"The handwriting was on the wall for the South," which clearly understood that remaining in the union meant certain tax exploitation for the benefit of the north.

October 16, 2002

Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions Evidence Builds for DiLorenzo’s Lincoln by Paul Craig Roberts

In an excellent piece of historical research and economic exposition, two economics professors, Robert A. McGuire of the University of Akron and T. Norman Van Cott of Ball State University, have provided independent evidence for Thomas J. Dilorenzo’s thesis that tariffs played a bigger role in causing the Civil War than slavery.

In The Real Lincoln, DiLorenzo argues that President Lincoln invaded the secessionist South in order to hold on to the tariff revenues with which to subsidize Northern industry and build an American Empire. In "The Confederate Constitution, Tariffs, and the Laffer Relationship" (Economic Inquiry, Vol. 40, No. 3, July 2002), McGuire and Van Cott show that the Confederate Constitution explicitly prohibits tariff revenues from being used "to promote or foster any branch of industry." By prohibiting subsidies to industries and tariffs high enough to be protective, the Confederates located their tax on the lower end of the "Laffer curve."

The Confederate Constitution reflected the argument of John C. Calhoun against the 1828 Tariff of Abominations. Calhoun argued that the U.S. Constitution granted the tariff "as a tax power for the sole purpose of revenue – a power in its nature essentially different from that of imposing protective or prohibitory duties."

McGuire and Van Cott conclude that the tariff issue was a major factor in North-South tensions. Higher tariffs were "a key plank in the August 1860 Republican party platform. . . . northern politicians overall wanted dramatically higher tariff rates; Southern politicians did not."

"The handwriting was on the wall for the South," which clearly understood that remaining in the union meant certain tax exploitation for the benefit of the north.

October 16, 2002

Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: dixielist
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 1,561-1,572 next last
To: WhiskeyPapa
Well when the value of your currency is approximately the same as toilet paper then you can tax at whatever rate you want and you still won't get anywhere.
181 posted on 11/12/2002 1:31:55 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies]

To: GOPcapitalist
The words "slave" or "slavery" do not appear in the U.S. Constitution. You can't put them there.

Walt

182 posted on 11/12/2002 1:33:53 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
The article is available here, though it looks like one has to pay to read it. If any one wants to subscribe or can find "Economic Inquiry" at a university library, a critique would be appreciated. I'm also pretty sure Roberts's article was also posted last month under another title. Does anyone have the link?

From the abstract and Roberts's article McGuire and Van Cott's work seems to be based on a logical fallacy. One can imagine that if the country split apart today, each fragment would draft laws and shape a constitution to reflect particular views on the issues of the day. But that would not prove that those issues had caused the split.

"Cause" is a tricky thing. An issue like the tariff may have contributed to worsening tensions or even swayed some people to take up one side or another. But left alone, the tariff question would never have brought war. Indeed, it could have been easily resolved, had slavery not embittered the situation. A list of differences between societies may not be a list of causes for a conflict between them. "Causes" have to have real explanatory force and power.

Another problem is the vagueness of the provision cited in the Confederate Constitution. If what's been posted here is true, the Confederacy retained the sugar tariff, which was clearly intended "to promote or foster" sugar growing. Therefore, a lot depends on how one reads, "any branch of industry." Does "industry" mean "production" of any kind, or does it refer to manufacturing, as opposed to agriculture?

In any event, there's a problem with the view of the Confederacy as idealistically free trade or committed to lower taxes. It may merely be that an agrarian region was opposed to taxes that would benefit industry, rather than to high taxes in general.

183 posted on 11/12/2002 1:36:52 PM PST by x
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 154 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
Well when the value of your currency is approximately the same as toilet paper then you can tax at whatever rate you want and you still won't get anywhere.

True, true.

It's funny that old "liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseparable ANDREW JACKSON" wound up on a CSA stamp. Well, his image did. Only problem was that inflation was so high, and the denomination of the stamp was so low, they were worthless. You couldn't put enough on an envelope to pay the postage.

Walt

184 posted on 11/12/2002 1:38:45 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies]

To: GOPcapitalist
Try opening your eyes for once.

Your mama should wash your mouth out with soap, you nasty tempered little boy.

Reread the paragraph before that. The one where he talks about the south exporting $250 million and importing $250 million - $250 million what I have no idea. Where he talks of the 40% tariff giving the south a treasury of $100 million. He's talking about the southern treasury, you boob. The southern war chest, the southern almight dollar, the southern tariff. Not the Northern one. Nowhere in that speech does he talk about a Northern tariff driving the south away. He is taunting the North, predicting ruin for her when the south has left. As it turns out, he was no better at predicting the future as you are at reading his predictions.

185 posted on 11/12/2002 1:38:53 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 180 | View Replies]

To: WhiskeyPapa
Not only were Northern resources effectively inexhaustible, they weren't even tried. All the while we were suppressing the Insurrection, we were building one of the greatest wonders in the history of the world, the Trans-Continental Railroad. Imagine us completing the Apollo Program in the middle of the Second World War for a comparison. The so-called CSA was a joke, and the Lost Cause was an imbecilic cause worth losing. Thankfully it never had a chance of working in the first place.
186 posted on 11/12/2002 1:38:54 PM PST by andy_card
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 178 | View Replies]

To: x
X is eddjicated too.

Walt

187 posted on 11/12/2002 1:41:03 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: WhiskeyPapa
A degree from UT is educated only in the broadest sense of the word, Walt.
188 posted on 11/12/2002 1:43:14 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 187 | View Replies]

To: GOPcapitalist
...yet you said that "Any nation that had slavery incorporated into its founding constitution was in no way correct."

The Articles of Confederation are (is?) our founding Constitution, not that pact with the Devil out of Philadelphia.

Walt

189 posted on 11/12/2002 1:47:56 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 174 | View Replies]

To: GOPcapitalist
When you have lost your market; when your operatives are turned out; when your capitalists are broken, will you go to direct taxation?"

Exactly what market did Wigfall expect the North to lose that was going to break them? Certanly not the south. That the few hundred thousand people in the south who could afford anything manufactured in the north were a blip compaired to the millions of customers in the north. Perhaps he thought cutting off the Mississippi would strangle the midwest. If so, he was wrong. Goods moved east on railroads, the Ohio river and across the Great Lakes until Grant opened the Mississippi in July 63. It was the south that cut itself off first with an insane embargo of cotton and second by never investing in a navy or industry.

As far as direct taxation, the CSA did it too, and to every lowely farmer, not just "high-wage" individuals like the north. The Union income tax did not kick in until income was over $800/year --- a lot of money in the 1860s.

Wigfalls predictions were about as reliable as the National Enquirer's. Both sides agreed the guy was a nut case.

190 posted on 11/12/2002 1:48:43 PM PST by Ditto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 164 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
A degree from UT is educated only in the broadest sense of the word, Walt.

Still P.O'd about that Marine Corps birthday thing, ain't cha?

Be nice to me. The Vols are 5-4.

Walt

191 posted on 11/12/2002 1:50:13 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: l8pilot
BUMP
192 posted on 11/12/2002 1:50:16 PM PST by Aurelius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ditto
It was the south that cut itself off first with an insane embargo of cotton and second by never investing in a navy or industry.

There was no middle class in Ivanhoe.

Walt

193 posted on 11/12/2002 1:52:02 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 190 | View Replies]

Yep, Hogwash, all of it. To believe any of you Rebel Hating Yankee's on this subject, I'd also have to believe that Herr Klinton was a Saint and Hillary an Angel.

I guess ignorance is universal because the North still seems to have it's share of ignorant individuals.

Slavery did not start nor was it a cause of the war.

The South Seceeded to the rights gauranteed to it by the Bill of Rights and all of the rebel bashing in the world will not change that historical fact.

194 posted on 11/12/2002 1:56:27 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Yep, Hogwash, all of it. To believe any of you Rebel Hating Yankee's on this subject, I'd also have to believe that Herr Klinton was a Saint and Hillary an Angel.

I guess ignorance is universal because the North still seems to have it's share of ignorant individuals.

Slavery did not start nor was it a cause of the war.

The South Seceeded to protect the rights gauranteed to it by the Bill of Rights and all of the rebel bashing in the world will not change that historical fact.

195 posted on 11/12/2002 1:56:47 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: WhiskeyPapa
Be nice to me. The Vols are 5-4.

What are you complaining about? You seen the records of my two alma maters lately? Reminds me of my good old student days at B-school. While the Wildcats were getting thrashed by lesser schools we would chant, "That's all right. That's OK. You're gonna work for us some day." And when the offense lined up on first down we would urge them on by chanting, "Punt...punt...punt...punt." Ah, college life.

196 posted on 11/12/2002 1:57:17 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: Leatherneck_MT
Yep, Hogwash, all of it. To believe any of you Rebel Hating Yankee's on this subject, I'd also have to believe that Herr Klinton was a Saint and Hillary an Angel.

Give my regards to Saint Bill and Hillary's Heavenly Choir then, because you're wrong.

197 posted on 11/12/2002 1:59:01 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 195 | View Replies]

To: Ditto
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T!!

Man you liberals will do anything to make it you look holier than thou. The Federal Govt was then and is NOW a Tyrant.

Get a Clue
198 posted on 11/12/2002 1:59:05 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: andy_card
Imagine us completing the Apollo Program in the middle of the Second World War for a comparison.

Well we did do Apollo in the middle of the Vietnam War --- neither fiscally trivial endeavors. And then came the 'stagflation' of the 1970s.

199 posted on 11/12/2002 2:00:15 PM PST by Ditto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 186 | View Replies]

To: Leatherneck_MT
To believe any of you Rebel Hating Yankee's on this subject, I'd also have to believe that Herr Klinton was a Saint and Hillary an Angel.

To believe you, I'd have to believe that Herr Klinton is not a native of Arkansas, a state most prominent in the war of the Southern Rebellion.

200 posted on 11/12/2002 2:02:21 PM PST by andy_card
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 195 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 1,561-1,572 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson