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To: DWPittelli
Arguably, the absence of God makes morality obsolete, although plenty of atheist philosophers argue otherwise

A personal morality and situational ethics are totally insufficient to restrain the basest instincts of man. This is what we saw in the 20th century and this is what we see in many of the ugliest behavior of modern times. Look what is going on in what used to be called Souther Rhodesia now. The theory of survival of the fittest, of might makes right is totally destroying the country and resulting in the starvation of those for whom the murderous agenda is supposedly being carried out.

251 posted on 10/12/2002 7:59:28 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
A personal morality and situational ethics are totally insufficient to restrain the basest instincts of man. This is what we saw in the 20th century and this is what we see in many of the ugliest behavior of modern times. Look what is going on in what used to be called Souther Rhodesia now. The theory of survival of the fittest, of might makes right is totally destroying the country and resulting in the starvation of those for whom the murderous agenda is supposedly being carried out.

At best, you have shown that religion is useful for keeping people moral. (A debatable position.) You have not shown it to be true. And you are even farther afield from showing miraculous creationism to be true. A belief in a Santa Claus who knows who's naughty and who's nice is useful for keeping children good (at least in December). It does not make Santa real.

252 posted on 10/12/2002 8:05:11 PM PDT by DWPittelli
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To: gore3000
You should grab yourself a good Medieval or Early Modern history text and you'll discover that an absolute morality and absolute ethics are similarly insufficient to restrain the basest instincts of man. This is what we saw in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries after the broad conversion to Christianity and before Darwin. Look what was going on in what used to be called the Holy Roman Empire just for starters. All those murderous agendas were supposedly carried out in the name of Christianity.
254 posted on 10/12/2002 8:05:58 PM PDT by AntiGuv
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