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To: DWPittelli
Whether or not Darwin's "social Darwinism" is amoral or evil or has merit has no effect on the historical truth or falsity of evolution.

No, no, no. It is not amoral, it is immoral. It is indeed evil as we have seen from the results of its adoption in the 20th century. By any moral standard it is evil. As to whether this immorality makes it untrue, kindly discuss the points I make in post#208 .

211 posted on 10/12/2002 2:03:12 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
"No, no, no. It is not amoral, it is immoral. It is indeed evil as we have seen from the results of its adoption in the 20th century." (Evolution)

The horrors of the 20th. Century have not been from evolution or religion. The horror was brought on by the morphing of a bogus system of economics, socialism into the state religions of Nazism and Communism. Last night, during this Creation vs Evolution thread, I felt I was observing the morphing of religion into science and this science into the demand of a state religion ..

I now understand the fear the Left has of conservatives. I felt a cold fear this AM as I contemplated the inquisitional zeal at which the Creationist pursued their ideology. I have no issue with "what" they believe, but I distinctly got the impression that they would be more than willing to make me believe it at the point of a gun. Should I not convert, it would be a "Holy Murder" to kill the "Infidel".

I fear you Creationists are cut from the same cloth as those that rammed the Twin Trade Towers on 9/11. I think your extremism is the main reason this country is drifting to the left, away from fundamentalism and not, paradoxically toward socialism.

"I fear for my country when I contemplate a just God". Jefferson.

217 posted on 10/12/2002 4:45:10 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: gore3000
[Darwinism] is indeed evil as we have seen from the results of its adoption in the 20th century. By any moral standard it is evil. As to whether this immorality makes it untrue, kindly discuss the points I make in post#208.

The horrors of the 20th Century (Communism, Nazism) can reasonably be laid at the door of atheism and/or man's inherent sinfulness, but not Darwinism.

One of the insanities of Stalin's Russia was actually the repudiation of Darwinism. Commies believed in Lamarckian evolution, by which an animal's "struggles" would alter its offspring.

As far as equating Nazism's search for lebensraum at the door of Social Darwinism, to the extent there is a connection it is the other way around. Such genocidal struggles for territory and resources long predate history, let alone Darwin.

Finally, your post #208 makes a reasonably strong point that we shouldn't want Darwinism to be true. It says nothing at all about whether it is in fact so.

220 posted on 10/12/2002 4:57:14 PM PDT by DWPittelli
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