Who Were The Celts?

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[LostTribe]

>(Isn't this stuff GREAT!!)

You bet! Does she really look that much different than a traditional Chinese that it was obvious to you?

[LostTribe]

>I think we should get rid of the letter "C" and just use "S" and "K".

You have a point in that Celts is really Kelts (correctly pronounced with a hard K), and is derived from "Keltoi". It was the Greek word for these "secret people", The Lost Tribes of Israel.

[blam]

"! Does she really look that much different than a traditional Chinese that it was obvious to you?"

At first, I thought she may have been a Vietnamese but her husband told me she was from Yuanan Province of China prior to our conversation on this subject.
I did gamble a little.
Not many Chinese in this area. I had a lot of Chinese engineers during my days at TI in addition to my travels there in my youth, even started learning the Mandarin Chinese language at one time.

[LostTribe]

>The population of Rome itself dropped to about 10,000 after Rome fell.

Yes, I would think it very difficult to define the "operational" size of the Roman Empire at any given time since so much of it was conquered territory in which the inhabitants were never really "Romans".

Contrast that with the huge number of Celts, who as The Lost Tribes of Israel may not have know who they really were, at least retained some semblance of tribal identity even to this day. (As in birds of a feather flock together.)

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks for the ping !

[Domestic Church]

Was the red dye the same as Hallstadt?

[LostTribe]

Here is a link to another interesting article & thread about the Celts. The Goths as Celts.

[Savage Beast]

This tale could be historically inaccurate, but I think not:

The five kings of the fifths of Ireland wandered together through the dense forest late one night. A storm fell upon them, and they sought refuge in a hut for the night.

After serving them dinner, the only occupant of the hut, a hag, went from man to man asking each if he would sleep with her.

Each man said no--except the youngest, who said that he would.

As they retired to bed, the hag confided to the young king that she was a witch. Suddenly she transformed herself to the most beautiful woman in the world, and they slept together in ecstatic bliss all night.

She also made him king over the other kings and over all of Ireland, and

This is how Ireland became united!

[blam]

"Was the red dye the same as Hallstadt?"

Barber and Goode (The Mummies Of Urumchi) said everything was the same. Presumably the dye also.

[Domestic Church]

Amazing. The tidbit about the woman in the Chinese restaurant is great too. Since you have managed to get so many of the history pieces together, there will probably be another catastrophe soon to scatter all the info,lol.

[LostTribe]

>Barber and Goode (The Mummies Of Urumchi) said everything was the same. Presumably the dye also.

It is truly a fascinating story.

[Cronos]

(In actual numbers, 5 Million people is about the same size as Ireland, Norway, Denmark or Israel today, and was 10% of the estimated 50 Million world population at that time. The world

Wooo. So you're saying that the Israelis during the times of the Kings was 10% of the world's population? What about the huge Empires of Egypt, the Hinese and the Indian, what about hte Kingdoms os Assyria, Persia, Media, the remnants of the Mitanni, the Arameans, the Moabites etc? Somethings wrong with your figures. Either the world's population was more than 50 million or the Israeli population was less than 5 million. Anything else is impossible.

[Cronos]

A hundred years later, this "lost" Northern Kingdom of Israel with now over 6 Million Israelites helped the Medes and Persians overthrow the Assyrians,

And pray where do you get proof for this? The Assyrians broke up native peoples and pushed them to different parts ot he Emprie precisely so that they would not threaten the Empire. The northern tribes would ahve been absorbed by the Mesopotamian tribes who spoke similar languages or by Arameans. Modern day Iraqis would be the descendents of those 'lost tribes

[Cronos]

then escaped north through the Caucasus Mountains and past the Black and Caspian Seas, to explode into history ~610 BC as The Celts

The earliest Celtic archaeological finds date to 900 BC, the La TRène sources. The Assyrian captivity took place in 722 BC. The Celts could not have been the Israelis.

Furthermore, how could the Semitic Israelis have metamorphised into Aryan Celts in such a short period?

There is no relation between Israelis and Celts beyond make believe or British fairy tales.

[Cronos]

These Celts (also as Cimmerians, Scythians, Danaoi, Massagetae, Milesians, Masilia, Sarmatians, Germani, Goths, Franks, Gauls, Lombards, Belgae, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vandals, Danes, Normans, and other assorted "Barbarians") are the rootstock of today’s Europeans and Americans who became the backbone of global Christianity .

Cimmerians are distinct from the other groups you state. All are Aryan groups or to be more preceise Indo-European groups with relationships to Indian, Iranian, Hittite cultures. They were also related to the Latins etc. They were also, not to put too fine a point on it, BARBARIANS, unlike the Israelis of the 8th century BC. They had language completely unlike Hebrew, an Aryan language.

The rootstock of today's Western Europeans are primarily GErmanic in the north and Roman in the south with traces of Celts in the West (even the Irish are 1/4th Norman-English) while the Eastern Europeans are Slavic, or related to the huns or GReeks or Turks.

Americans being primarily derived form Western Europeans would be Aryanic with Latin roots in the south and west (French/Spanish Colonies)

[Cronos]

The Celts were all over Europe and were a serious competitor to the Roman Empire. Ultimately the Empire dissolved and the Celts remained, so in a sense the Celts won.

Ha Ha HA! Unless you classify the Germans as Celts (which may be true as the Romans did so, calling them Germanii or authentic Celts. Anyway, the Roman slaughtered the Celts and the ones remaining were subsumed by Latin colonists. Even the Germans who came and conquered parts of the Roman empire became Roman in manner and language (the Franks in France or the Goths in Spain). In the end we derive our culture from Rome, the GErmans gave up their barbaric primitive culture to accept the culture and civilisation of Rome. Rome, the Empire, civilisation won.

[Cronos]

The Celtic impact on western civilization alone is immense. The CELTS became Western Europe and offspring and their total population today is around 1 BILLION.

err.. Wrong, wrong and wrong again. The Romans populated Western Europe, followed by Germans so Western Europe is overwhelmingly Germano-Roman, not many Celts there. America is derived form Western Europe so it is, yes, overwhelmingly Germano-Roman. Even the Irish aren't completely Celtic with them being 1/4 norman-English.

Where did you get the 1 billion number from??? Western Europe's population is 300 million, that of north America is 300 million. That is 600 million GERMANO-ROMANS, not 1 BILLION. Slavs are NOT Germano-Roman, neither are the GReeks or Armenians or Georgians or hungarians or Turks.

[Cronos]

The "lack" of written language was deliberate. It was not that were incapeable of writing as it sometimes alleged, but writing was prohibited by their theology. Their use of "oral tradition" carried them through quite nicely.

possibly. It could be that the RUNIC language was restricted to the Druids. But their religion was Aryanic in origin or proto-Aryan, highly primitive, highly animistic based on worhip of nature and magic. Not at all related to Israeli religion.

[Cronos]

Centralized government didn't really make any sense since they were split into 10 tribes to begin with, and they were scattered all over the European and west Asian frontier. Their population size was over 5 MILLION at the time they were first identified, about 600 BC, at the same place the Lost Tribes of Israel disappeared. Without the internet for communications it would have been tough to hold them all together

I really can't make out how serious you are. 10 tribes? THe original 12 tribes were:

1. Reuban
2. Gad
3. Judah
4. Benjamin
5. Simeon
6. Naphtali
7. ZEbulun
8. Dan
9. Issacher
10. Levi
11. Manasseh
12. Ephraim

Now Reuban and Gad were across the river Jordan and probably absorbed and got absorbed into the related tribes of Moab, Ammon etc.

int he south there were THREE tribes, FOUR if you count the Levites -- Judah, Benjamin and Simeon, who were given towns within Judah (in fulfillment of the prophecy spoken by Jacob when Levi and Simeon slaughtered their sister's rapist).

The first Celtic archaeological pieces date from 900 BC, waaaay before the exile by the Assyrians.

The Assyrians would have dispersed the Israelis into Iraq, PART of the Assyrian empire and they would have split them up to fulfil their aim of ensuring that the conquered peoples NEVER posed a threat to Assyria (pretty good policy, the ones who did destroy Assyria were a federations of the Holy City (Babylon) residents adn outsiders -- the Medes.

True, but they DID survive as the cultural basis for the entire western hemisphere, made up of many tribes and nations, most of them "King-based" in accordance with prophesy.

err... no, they did NOT survive, they were slaughtered by the Romans and later 'Germans', well they may have been related, but their languages are not the same, quite distinct (as distinct as Welsh and English)

The Romans expanded far more and most people have Roman blood (the soldiers were given lands among hte conquered peoples)

Were the Romans Barbaric with their centuries long blood lust for Christians and others in the Coliseum? Were the Romans Warlike? Illiteracy becomes a relative thing when keeping written records was specifically prohibited

Maybe, but compared to the Celtic-GErmanic peoples, the Romans were hgihly civilised, almost like comparing America to the Bushmen tribes.  THe Romans had cities, the Barbarians lived in caves or huts.  the Romans had high literature, the Barbarians didn't have a widepsread written language.  the Roman built great aquaducts, roads, etc. the Barbarians made swords to fight naked with.  The Romans had civilisation, the barbarians had stone-age culture until the Romans gave them the gift of civilisation.  All Europeans (and by derivative) Americans base their culture on Rome with Christian morals and teachings NOT on Germanic-Celtic primitive ways (even Wiccans dont' have the original Germanic primitve cultures which were lost when the Germans adopted civilisation)

[Cronos]

(The global Celtic population today is near 1 BILLION out of a global 6 BILLION so is still ~10%+).

Laughable, extremely laughable. The Celtic population today, if you consider the narrow view of those with 50% or more ancestors who spoke the language is minuscule. Celts are not even a race, they are a group of peoples who spoke related languages. By that, Celt are a linguistic group NOT a racial group. Sticking to the linguistic group, the number of Celts today is probably 20 million (Ireland, Brittany, Galicia) and their first language is English - a Germano-Roman language.

Romans. Now that originated as a racial group, the Italic peoples Hmmm.. Everyone whose ancestors come from the Mediterranean region and from England would be Roman in origin. But then Roman language, hmmm.. everyone who speaks French, Spanish, English Romanian , Italian etc. are roman descendents. EVeryone who lives in a country that follows Roman laws and respect for law is Roman. That would also include the former Byzantine places and even The Arabs adopted Roman customs (the Arab dinars are a corruption of the Roman Denarrii)