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Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers('Cause He was Really Guilty)
Court TV ^ | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 09/19/2002 7:03:56 PM PDT by Jalapeno

Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers

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Defense lawyers for David Westerfield confer at trial.


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KEYWORDS: capitalcrimes; deathpenatly; westerfield
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1 posted on 09/19/2002 7:03:56 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno
O'Reilly is a blithering moronic loudmouth.
2 posted on 09/19/2002 7:06:42 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: spqrzilla9
That may be so, but this quote seems to be an interesting twist in the 'Westerfield case':

the lawyers tried to broker a deal last February in which Westerfield would reveal the location of Danielle's body in exchange for a guarantee that he would not face the death penalty. He would plead guilty and receive life without parole. Both sides were about to ink the deal, according to the paper, when volunteer searchers found Danielle's body.

3 posted on 09/19/2002 7:09:34 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Jalapeno
Yes, I imagine that that added some pride to the searchers. They not only found the little girl, but fast enough to stop Westerfield from escaping death.
4 posted on 09/19/2002 7:13:24 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Jalapeno
Perhaps this needs to be quoted once more......

"the lawyers tried to broker a deal last February in which Westerfield would reveal the location of Danielle's body in exchange for a guarantee that he would not face the death penalty. He would plead guilty and receive life without parole. Both sides were about to ink the deal, according to the paper, when volunteer searchers found Danielle's body. "

5 posted on 09/19/2002 7:13:56 PM PDT by fineright
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To: spqrzilla9
Please provide the rest of us with some factual accounts...
6 posted on 09/19/2002 7:14:10 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: spqrzilla9
In this instance, despite what you and Catherine Crier might believe, O'Reilly is, as Marisa Tomie would say.....dead on, balls accurate.
7 posted on 09/19/2002 7:14:56 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: fineright
These slimes would argue that Mollesterfield was inocent, but just happened to know where the body was.
8 posted on 09/19/2002 7:16:10 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Jalapeno
This looks like the article in question:

Calm down, now: Feldman actually was serving justice

September 19, 2002

So Steven Feldman knew. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The twitchy defense attorney knew David Westerfield was guilty as cardinal sin.

Hours before Danielle van Dam's body was found, Feldman and his co-counsel, Robert Boyce, were working on a plea bargain with prosecutors, according to unnamed Union-Tribune sources.

We give you the body; you give us life.

But divine providence led volunteers to the Sabre Springs girl's decomposing remains minutes before the deal could be brokered. Westerfield's leverage slipped to zero.

So a captive jury was subjected to tirades, tears, tedium, repellent images of deviant sex and the ravaged corpse of a child, swinging lifestyles, scruffy barflies, macabre bug science and a host of other reasons to wake up screaming in the middle of the night.

And now media heavy breathers are fuming that Feldman possesses less moral fiber than a Gila monster. How could he, the rant goes, "weave a web of deceit" when he knew – knew! – that the flabby, balding defendant was, in fact, a child killer?

How could Feldman have staged a four-month charade when he knew that his "doubts" were not only bald-faced lies but might – if by some demonic miracle they gained credence – result in liberty for a predatory ghoul?

I called Carlos Armour, chief of the North County DA's Office, for some calm legal advice.

This stuff happens, Armour said, very calmly.

A rapist says he'll serve 10 years for a string of assaults. The DA says no, you're in for 25. Neither side budges. OK, the rapist says, I'll take my chances at trial.

The scum's attorney, who's been pushing for a reduced sentence in confidential meetings, suddenly is obligated to claim in court that prosecutors have failed to prove his client guilty.

That's how the system does – and should – work, Armour said.

Why?

To guarantee cases get proven in court, he said.

Let's say Feldman did a slapdash job of defending Westerfield. Let's say the attorney failed to explore every feasible line of defense.

What happens then?

You've got it. Westerfield appeals – and wins another trial. The scabs on the healing wounds would be ripped off.

In 1997, Armour won a murder conviction against Danielle Barcheers in the stabbing death of Escondidan Betty Carroll. That verdict was overturned because her lawyer failed to present a mental-health defense.

The DA was forced to try Barcheers again several years later. (She was found guilty a second time.)

It's bad enough that Westerfield can pursue state and federal appeals while buying 10 years or more on death row.

In throwing all the available mud on the wall – "risque" behavior, blow flies and the other obfuscations – Feldman did his part in ensuring that the verdict will stick. (Of course, we pray the judge, jury and the prosecutors honorably performed their duty as well.)

It's counter-intuitive but true: Feldman, in forcing the case to be proved despite all plausible doubts, is as much a hero in this grotesque morality tale as Jeff Dusek, the rock-jawed prosecutor upon whose head laurels are being heaped.

For those who think Feldman a reptile without human feelings, I have a little theory about his body language.

A veteran reporter and I were watching the trial on TV. She observed that Feldman never touched Westerfield. Never established intimacy.

These days, defense attorneys often send subliminal messages to juries by huddling close with a defendant. See, they seem to say, he's human! (One lawyer recently kissed a convicted rapist on the top of the head – in the clear view of victims.)

In my limited TV view, Feldman seemed cold toward his client. He was duty-bound by the Constitution to fight, tooth and nail, for Westerfield's life.

But not to touch him.

A final question nags.

If Westerfield was willing to accept life in prison in a plea bargain, would the defense team have been well-advised to give up the ground it was destined to lose?

What if Westerfield had lumbered to the stand and confessed?

Yes, I killed her. I lost my mind, my life, my soul. Though I deserve none, I throw myself on your mercy. My only use on this planet is within prison walls. I could volunteer as a subject for medical research. I could teach job skills to inmates. If it were possible, I would subject myself to physical torture to show my remorse. What I can't do is undo what I've done. Never forgive me. Simply sentence me to what is just.

If I'd been on the jury and heard those sentences from the beast's lips, I'd have felt something.

I'd have been sorely tempted to give him life.

9 posted on 09/19/2002 7:17:49 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: spqrzilla9
I will agree that he got too loud on this subject but the article misses the point of the complaint.

There is agreement that the role of the defense attorney is to force the prosecution to follow the rules and prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

The problem lies in the fact the defense lawyers apparently knew that he was guilty based on the efforts to plea bargain by offering information leading the police to the girl's body. In this situation, the laywers are obligated to defend their client but they cannot ethically produce confusing alternative crime scenarios that they know are false (e.g., implication of the son, and the mysterious third party that may have had access to the house owing to the parents life style, etc.).

O'Riley was over the edge but based on the newspaper accounts,lawyers were technically in violation of their duties, too.

10 posted on 09/19/2002 7:24:04 PM PDT by JonH
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To: hole_n_one
No, he's not. What O'Reilly is doing is attempting to undermine the most basic principles of our system of justice.
11 posted on 09/19/2002 7:24:21 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: JonH
There is no such ethical rule. You and O'Reilly are inventing this idea.
12 posted on 09/19/2002 7:25:07 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Jalapeno
All of the secret hearing transcripts were released today as well.

Including:

Westerfield "date raped" a lady 12 years ago when they were both 38 yrs. old. Of course this lady also claims she was raped by a politician and her doctor among others.

Westerfield was seen at local "strip bars". No one under 21 allowed, however.

Westerfield said to a adult female neighbor words to the effect, "So you're the one with the treadmill". I guess this means he was watching her with his famous Binochs.

A guy said he heard screaming coming from Westerfield's MH on Feb. 2nd while parked at Silver Strand. The guy is also a convicted felon.

A woman said she saw Westerfield's MH at Dehesa on her birthday, Feb. 4th. Why she waited until after the body was found on Feb. 27th to inform police is a mystery.

13 posted on 09/19/2002 7:27:36 PM PDT by CW_Conservative
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To: spqrzilla9
What O'Reilly is doing is attempting to undermine the most basic principles of our system of justice.

If the most "basic principle" of our system of justice is to allow a defense attorney who knows his client to be guilty of the crime for which he's being tried to fabricate, make up, lie, and intentionally decieve a jury in an effort to win an aqutittal for his client, then.....

our system bites the big one.

14 posted on 09/19/2002 7:30:12 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Jalapeno
He was duty-bound by the Constitution to fight, tooth and nail, for Westerfield's life.

Where is this in the Constitution?

Where did we degenerate to the notion that it doesn't matter if we're guilty or not, we still have a right, no make that a duty, to make every attempt to flim flam the system?

It like "if I can get the jury to free me somehow, I didn't really do it".

I understand everyone is entitled to a fair trail...I just don't agree with what a fair trail seems to have transmogrified to.

15 posted on 09/19/2002 7:30:57 PM PDT by evad
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To: Jalapeno
Hot find, Jalapeno: THIMMESCH
16 posted on 09/19/2002 7:33:36 PM PDT by Nick Thimmesch
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To: evad
Where is this in the Constitution

I am in agreement here. The Constitution giives you the Right to a Fair trial. Wouldn't Lying be considered unfair?

17 posted on 09/19/2002 7:38:50 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: JonH
The problem lies in the fact the defense lawyers apparently knew that he was guilty based on the efforts to plea bargain by offering information leading the police to the girl's body. In this situation, the laywers are obligated to defend their client but they cannot ethically produce confusing alternative crime scenarios that they know are false (e.g., implication of the son, and the mysterious third party that may have had access to the house owing to the parents life style, etc.).

It is interesting that the San Diego Union-Tribune was suing Judge Mudd in court to release the secret hearing transcripts during the trial citing the public's right to know.

Then they turn around after the trial and print a story citing "unnamed LE sources". What about the public's right to know. This story is useless without a name.

This story reminds me of the ones that came out of the "Clinton War Room". And this is an election year for SD District Attn.

18 posted on 09/19/2002 7:46:28 PM PDT by CW_Conservative
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To: Jalapeno
Sounds like a talk show host trying to get people all het up - but that's what they do.

Any idiot knows an attorney's job is to win for the client, regardless of his opinion of that client. If I were a defendant, I'd expect nothing less. Indeed, a court would not (or rather should not) tolerate an attorney who tried to throw a case against his client - that essentially amounts to a defendant unwillingly testifying against himself, and there is a firmly entrenched protection from that hereabouts.

I see no cause to bitch here. There are plenty of legitimate arguments to equate attorneys with pond scum, but this isn't one of them. He did his job and everything worked out as expected - no harm, no foul.

Dave in Eugene
19 posted on 09/19/2002 7:47:36 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly
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To: spqrzilla9
"O'Reilly is a blithering moronic loudmouth."

Granted, O'Reilly can be obnoxious, but your defense of the indefensable is equally moronic.

"No, he's not. What O'Reilly is doing is attempting to undermine the most basic principles of our system of justice."

Oh, PUHLEEEEEZE! Take you cryin' towel elsewhere. Most folks are sick and tired of sleezy defense lawyers hiding behind a false interpretation of our constitution. I doubt you're capable of understanding the meaning of the most basic principles of our system of justice.

Deliberately lying to a jury in the name of "giving the client a vigorous defense under our constitution" is beyond the pale. Ever notice that the typical liberal defenders of trial lawyers are the ones who can't wait to take more freedoms away from law abiders? When cracking down on their own, trial lawyers are down right sickening... Hiding behind their concocted versions of a constitution which exists only in their own warped minds is no longer tolerable.

Pssst, spqrzilla9, the public has had it with your ilk. Get a clue!
20 posted on 09/19/2002 7:53:46 PM PDT by demkicker
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