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The War America Cannot Win
vanity | 12 Sept 02 | a_perfect_lady

Posted on 09/12/2002 3:57:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady

Let me say immediately that I am not talking about the war on terrorism. That, we can win. I’m talking about the war we have been fighting for the hearts and minds of the international community. It is un-winnable and I’ll tell you why.

First we have to deal with the perception that the US is somehow economically exploiting third world countries. This perception exists because we are rich and they – for whatever reasons – are not. An author on a recent thread pointed out that the US carries a trade imbalance with 2/3rds of our trading partners. That is, we import more than we export from the poorest countries. We are, in other words, reliable customers, just the sort a business needs to get on its feet.

We even hand the manufacturers in these countries an advantage over our own citizens in allowing them to import, duty-free, their cheaply made goods. Ask an American tobacco farmer about tariffs. Ask an American factory-owner about labor laws. Our industries operate at a financial disadvantage, giving the poorer countries an edge. Ah, but, say our critics, you are merely exploiting the poor (who work in these third world sweatshops) in order to get cheap goods.

What should we do? Should we insist that these poorer countries improve the working conditions of their laborers? Okay. How?

Should we offer poorer countries financial support conditionally, to be withdrawn if they don’t adopt the values we cherish? We could. That’s called “forcing other cultures to conform to the American model,” also known as “attempting to imprint our values on others” and “using our power to starve them into submission if they refuse to do things the way America wants them done.” This tendency of ours, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Should we offer poorer countries financial support unconditionally in hopes that those in government and business will use it to improve the workers’ lot? We could. However, that’s called “propping up unpopular dictatorships,” and this tendency of ours, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Should we refuse, then, to deal with countries that exploit and oppress their workers? We could. We do it with Cuba. It’s called an embargo, and our use of this method, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Should we, then, deal with these countries and let them set their own terms? We could. We do it with China. But we’d be back where we started, profiting from the imbalance, and our willingness to do this, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

That’s just a quick run-down of the economic choices.

Then there’s the matter of our military. Should we ever use it to help beleaguered countries? We could. We did it for Kuwait. Using our superior technology instead of, say, using only sabers if that’s all that the enemy has (in the name of fair play, apparently) can usually win us victory. It’s not “fair” though, say our critics, and it’s one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Should we refuse to help any country in distress and stand by while slaughters take place? We could. We did it with Rwanda. But this refusal to aid others, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Should we compromise and just send financial aid to our allies, and not get involved militarily? We could. We do this with Israel and it’s one of the reasons, say our critics, that we are hated all over the world.

Should we only get involved if we have interests at stake? We could, it was one of the reasons we helped Kuwait. But this selfishness, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Should we only get involved if we have no interests to protect? We could. There are those who feel we did it in Vietnam and our nosiness, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world.

Perhaps it’s not what we do but how we do it. Our independent, cowboy unilateralism, say our critics, is one of the reasons we are hated all over the world. We should include others in our decisions, we should let the UN make these decisions, and do nothing unless other countries agree with us on what should be done. Like we did in 1991, when we, with other members of the UN, voted on sanctions for Iraq…. For which the Arab world blames us alone, and in consequence of which, our critics say, we are hated all over the world.

By now you should be seeing a pattern. There is nothing the United States can do, nothing, that will not provoke our critics. So shall we then do nothing? It would be a waste of time, doing nothing provokes them too. They do not hate us for what we do, if that were the case, there would be something we could do to diminish that hatred. As the above roll call evidences, there is nothing. Frankly, even if we all committed mass suicide, after the initial delight of the international community had abated, the devastating economic results that would follow, it would be universally agreed, would be all our fault, and our memory would be hated …all over the world.

What to do, then? There is only one option. Go forth and do whatever is in our best interest, without regard to anyone else’s whim and opinions on the matter. And if the international community objects, bomb the snot out of them.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: economics; foreignpolicy; sanctions; war
I'm hoping for Freepers to give me any helpful critiques that will improve this essay before I do anything with it locally. For instance, any specific examples that can go with my points, any weak spots that need bolstering, anything really. Any constructive suggestions would be helpful.
1 posted on 09/12/2002 3:57:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: LibWhacker; Lazamataz; gcruse; Anamensis; Arthur Wildfire! March; sauropod
May I ping you?
2 posted on 09/12/2002 4:01:25 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
My pleasure. I'll be back.
3 posted on 09/12/2002 4:06:13 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: A_perfect_lady
We do a lot of destructive things in our trade relations with other countries, such as putting up barriers to the only products they have the natural resources to produce.
So, I can't agree with all of your article. But it is
certainly well written.
4 posted on 09/12/2002 4:10:23 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Can you think of specific examples, and reasons why we might do this? I want to be as forewarned as possible. Thanks!
5 posted on 09/12/2002 4:24:37 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
The third leg of the stool is protection at the border.  Just as the government needs quotas to keep U.S. farmers from responding to the generous support price, the government uses import barriers to keep foreign suppliers from responding to very high domestic peanut prices.  With the U.S. peanut support price almost double the world price, imports would rise rapidly in the absence of barriers and would quickly eliminate the price differential.  Although tariffs on most agricultural commodities entering the U.S. market are negligible or zero, the United States maintains import tariffs on various peanut categories that range between 104% and 168%.
6 posted on 09/12/2002 4:36:09 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
So are you saying that we sometimes put high tariffs on incoming goods in order to protect our own local producers?
7 posted on 09/12/2002 4:50:22 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
In this case, there are huge price supports to make it worthwhile to farm peanuts, and 100% tariffs to make sure those who could profitably raise peanuts abroad and ship them to us cannot do so. Our taxes pay supports to the peanut farmer and we pay double for the product retail what we would pay if there was competition.

None of it makes sense.
8 posted on 09/12/2002 4:59:47 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: A_perfect_lady
Well, I like it, APL! I like the way you chase our critics' arguments around full-circle back to the starting point; their arguments are circular and driven by envy, imho.

Arabs want to return to the dubious glory of the Caliphate, the French to the glory of France that never was -- and never will be. Likewise, the Germans, Russians, Cubans, North Koreans and many other minor players.

The English, and to a lesser extent, the Italians -- whose countries both actually once were glorious empires -- actually seem to sympathize with us somewhat because of it, in part, knowing well the pain of empire lost. And for this we should try to maintain their friendship, I think. The new China is a joke, having nothing whatsoever to do with the glorious dynasties of old.

Now America is the new empire, like it or not, a benign one unlike any ever seen. And the world's envy is palpable because of it. And despite our having repeatedly and quite generously rescued some of them from tyranny and oppression several times during the last century, pumping hundreds of billions of dollars in aid into their hopelessly corrupt and decaying societies, are treacherously plotting against us with the Chinese, the Russians, the Arabs, to defeat and destroy us.

I like your conclusion. We should press ahead unilaterally in every respect, as long as it serves our interests, no matter what they say. And if they stand in our way, sweep them aside; they are irrelevant. We are the world's new super-empire. May we reign for a thousand years.

9 posted on 09/12/2002 10:00:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: gcruse
Thank you for explaining. My question, then, is: are we required to allow foreign producers to undersell our locals? (At the moment I'm not trying to justify the price to the American consumer, that's not my angle.) I mean, we are not forbidding peanut producers around the world to grow and sell peanuts, we just don't let them sell the peanuts to US. Many, many countries do this, I'm sure. I think this still falls under the purview of my essay: if we don't let them sell to us, we're somehow denying them the apparently God given right to sell to US (not just to anyone else in the rest of the world) and if we do let them sell to us, we're exploiting the cheap labor for cheap goods. I'm trying to find an example of something we could do differently that actually WOULD make a difference in world opinion. I'm not sure if this is it, but I appreciate you taking the time to explain.
10 posted on 09/13/2002 6:28:50 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
if we don't let them sell to us, we're somehow denying them the apparently God given right to sell to US (not just to anyone else in the rest of the world) and if we do let them sell to us, we're exploiting the cheap labor for cheap goods.

The peanut farmers have no right to expect the other 280M American consumers to bail them out because they haven't done enough to make themselves competitive with their competition. I for one feel no obligation to protect them or any other industry unless they are competing against state-run or state-subsidized individuals/corporations.

Wake up and smell the coffee people, when it comes to subsidizing its economy, the US is just as Socialist as the EU.

11 posted on 09/15/2002 11:51:15 AM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
I understand your point but I'm looking for the "international victim" in this scenario, so to speak. I'm addressing the international community and its complaints against us.
12 posted on 09/15/2002 4:09:54 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Most of these countries can't grow without free trade with 1st world nations. Either we help them grow, and in the process grow ourselves, or we don't. Many of these countries are recovering from some form of Socialism therefore the West has an obligation to help them. Socialism is afterall a Western creation that has been more damaging than any disease unleashed on an unprepared population. Smallpox in the Americas pales by comparison.
13 posted on 09/16/2002 8:29:10 AM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
I agree with your assessment of the damage of socialism but I disagree that because Europeans invented it, Americans are obligated to help anyone recover from it. That just smacks of "White Man's Burden."

However, even if I agreed with you, my essay is my way of saying that no matter how we go about helping other countries, our international critics attack us. Do you disagree with my thesis, and if so, specifically where and how, please.

14 posted on 09/16/2002 12:55:17 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
I agree with your assessment of the damage of socialism but I disagree that because Europeans invented it, Americans are obligated to help anyone recover from it. That just smacks of "White Man's Burden."

Are you saying then that US Government owes no restitution to the owners of the pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan that the Clinton administration bombed? The West, as a whole, pushed Socialism on the developing world. It indoctrinated its intellectual elites in its universities, it manipulated governments to its advantage which often meant Socialistic policies. Most "right wing" regimes are in fact Fascist ergo they are in reality leftist. So yes, the West has a very real obligation to provide assistance in the form of equal trade with said nations so they can rebuild themselves. Free trade is the most efficient form of foreign aid.

However, even if I agreed with you, my essay is my way of saying that no matter how we go about helping other countries, our international critics attack us.

So what? If they interfere with us in a violent way, eliminate them. If not, ignore them while it is convenient.

Do you disagree with my thesis, and if so, specifically where and how, please.

Do you see the Swiss giving a flying donkey about the opinions of the majority of the world about their role in WWII? No. Why? Because they realize that opinions are like asses, everyone has one. BTW re: the Swiss in WWII I sympathize with them, they were a nation of 5 million surrounded by 3 large, mature Fascist states.

We should be more like the Swiss IMO. Do you see the Swiss rushing out to exert their relative military might? No. They could easily crush France or Germany in a ground war if one was declared tomorrow because ~20-25% of their people are in their Army reserves. For some reason the US feels the need to make its might known to every tinpot dictator and his entire extended family. Stay out of world affairs and if we are attacked, make an example out of the aggressor that is so cruel and inhumane that no one f#$%s with the US for another 50 years even if that means killing 50-70% of a country's civilian population if they side with their government. We should concentrate on fair, free trade with those who would fairly and freely trade with us and refuse to trade with those who won't. Those who would harm us should be told, clearly and unequivocably that they will be hunted down no matter where they hide and be executed with less compassion than a barn yard animal sent to market. We should let every nation state that would harm us know that we have no ethics when preserving our country's existance and that we will regard any means as acceptable to protect ourselves unless that means harms our people. In politics, might makes right. The best defense is usually giving the impression that you're the nastiest and most ruthless SOB on the block when you're threatened.

15 posted on 09/17/2002 10:24:44 AM PDT by dheretic
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To: dheretic
The West, as a whole, pushed Socialism on the developing world.

The West as a whole? A tiny handful of European intellectuals are to blame and I haven't the slightest interest in taking that blame onto America. I am amazed that you think this way but I thank you for your input.

16 posted on 09/17/2002 4:33:43 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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