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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 31-September 7, 2002

Posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD

My prayers go out to the Ricci family during this time. RR was sent up the river and used as a scape-goat. No evidence, whatsoever, linking him to the disappearance of Elizabeth.

May he rest in peace.


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1 posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: Bella; cherry; lakey; hergus; partialpressures; FR_addict; Palladin
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2 posted on 08/31/2002 10:27:27 AM PDT by IamHD
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3 posted on 08/31/2002 10:28:36 AM PDT by IamHD
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4 posted on 08/31/2002 10:29:37 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: IamHD
IamHD, do we have two threads going now? Or is the one Brigitte started last night finished?
5 posted on 08/31/2002 10:57:07 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Not sure, but this one is for the upcoming week. :)
6 posted on 08/31/2002 11:11:57 AM PDT by IamHD
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7 posted on 08/31/2002 11:20:40 AM PDT by Bella
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To: varina davis
I was reading one of the many mormon boards and found some interesting posts..what do you think of this? Check out these posts--
http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/index.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery

Subject: Smart Photos Toned Down... Has Elizabeth gone GOTH? Date: Aug 31 12:32
When the Smart family first put the website online they had A LOT of super-posed, professional, way-morg, angelic pictures of Elizabeth. One can still be found here: http://www.ci.slc.ut.us/events/missing.htm

The Smart website is more toned down these days with more average looking, snapshot, and some candid shots. (no more richy-rich harp photos) See here:

http://www.elizabethsmart.com/about_recent.asp

Also, I heard somewhere that she had gone gothic in her appearance (probably rebeling). If that is true and her parents had photos of that and haven't posted them then it would seem as if they care more about their "Morg Family Pride" than recovering their daughter. Those photos of the different appearance would be CRITICAL in identifying her.

I think that the Smarts have toned it down because now with the media spotlight on other missing kids, Elizabeth would now have to compete with poor and middle class white, black and hispanic kids for media attention. You know, the "Unwashed Masses".

Just my opinion.

8 posted on 08/31/2002 11:37:46 AM PDT by Bella
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To: IamHD
Another thread titled--Subject: Ricci died? Anyone Know? NT

http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/index.php3?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery

9 posted on 08/31/2002 11:46:00 AM PDT by Bella
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To: IamHD
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,405027679,00.html?

Saturday, August 31, 2002
Richard Ricci dies

2 intrusions were similar, Smart says
By Derek Jensen
Deseret News staff writer

Police discovered a wrought-iron chair below the Smart family's kitchen window the morning Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her bedroom, her father says — information the family believes could be an important piece of evidence in the puzzling case.

The chair, taken from the family's backyard patio, was propped against the wall under the kitchen window where investigators found the screen cut, Ed Smart told the Deseret News Friday.

While police refused to comment on the chair or how the abductor may have entered the Smart residence, the family believes this latest piece of evidence to become public could be useful because the method that may have been used to enter their home appears to be the same way an intruder tried to break into the home of Ed Smart's sister-in-law. That incident happened July 24, exactly seven weeks after Elizabeth's June 5 disappearance.

The Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office is still investigating the July break-in and refused to comment on any evidence in the case.

Investigators have said the incident may have been a prank since the neighborhood is home to several families with teenagers who are known for cruising around at night.

"They really don't believe it really has anything to do with Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping," deputy Peggy Faulkner said.

Still, the Smarts question just how random the incident was.

Three distinct similarities exist between the two incidents, Ed Smart said.

First, the screen was cut in both windows. Second, both incidents occurred in the early morning hours. Those two details have been widely reported in the media, but until now no one has reported a chair being found outside the Smarts' kitchen window.

"It was very unnerving," Ed Smart said of the similarities. "Basically it brought all of our kids who we'd gotten back into their rooms back into our room."

While the family isn't sure what the similarities mean to Elizabeth's case, they have announced a $3,000 reward for the first person who can identify whoever was involved in the attempted break-in. Other rewards — including up to $250,000 for Elizabeth's safe return — are also being offered.

The possibility of a break-in is one of many theories police are exploring, but Elizabeth's father also admitted it's possible former handyman Richard Ricci may have obtained a key to their house during the three months he worked for the Smarts. Ricci, 48, who died Friday night at University Hospital while in a coma, had been a prime potential suspect in Elizabeth's kidnapping for several weeks.

"We had keys here with them (workers) in the house, and it would have been very easy for him to make a copy," Ed Smart said. "I'm not positive, but he could have easily enough. . . . I never gave him a key."

Police said they have considered the possibility that Elizabeth's attacker entered the house with a key but refused to elaborate.

"That could explain some theories," Capt. Scott Atkinson said.

Smart said the small details of the kidnapping case his family occasionally releases to the media are not an indication the case has hit a dead end. Various experts, including forensics specialist Henry C. Lee, who worked on the O.J. Simpson case, have offered their services. Lee offered to help in the Smart investigation several weeks ago. The Smarts contacted police, who agreed to have him work with detectives. As part of his involvement in the case, Lee must sign a confidentiality agreement.

"We aren't grasping at straws," Ed Smart said. "Yes, we are trying to put as much pressure to solve this case as we can. It's gone on for three months, and it's three months too long."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: djensen@desnews.com

10 posted on 08/31/2002 11:50:37 AM PDT by Bella
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My sympathies go out to the Smart and Ricci families. This crime (the kidnapping and possible murder of Elizabeth Smart) will never be solved.

How ironic that both Elizabeth and Richard are most likely in the same place now. Ricci received the last rites of the RC church, including absolution of his sins and holy anointing, which would remit all of his sins and admit him to Heaven.
11 posted on 08/31/2002 12:04:04 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: spore-gasm
I'm not worried about it. :)
13 posted on 08/31/2002 12:11:35 PM PDT by IamHD
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From what the SLC papers are reporting, he also received the LDS blessing.

I hope that LE continues this investigation since I've read on many boards, and mormon boards, from people who live next to some involved with the investigation, that the cops weren't all convinced that Ricci is the perp. I do have the posts regarding this also. There's lots to be investigated, and I'm sure they're still watching many.

However, from reading another thread, it appears that MANY on that thread is dancing in the streets and is convinced that Ricci is the perp. There's many questions that haven't been answered from the start, and there's many people in SLC saying that the family hasn't been forthcoming..

14 posted on 08/31/2002 12:11:48 PM PDT by Bella
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Bella, even if RR had a key, how in the world would he know that the alarm system wasn't armed?? How about dogs in the house?

This had to be someone that KNEW these things, IMO.

15 posted on 08/31/2002 12:13:24 PM PDT by IamHD
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FOX news just said that LE is NOT going to stop the investigation, and is going to track down who took Liz. Is going to be interesting because many feel the abductor feels he was home free.
16 posted on 08/31/2002 12:13:33 PM PDT by Bella
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To: IamHD
This had to be someone that KNEW these things, IMO.

Absolutely..and we're not the only ones who feel this way either..there's a LOT of things that need explaining..

17 posted on 08/31/2002 12:14:49 PM PDT by Bella
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To: spore-gasm
Indeed, and also brave enough to wear light colored clothing, and if someone saw them, I'm certain they'd have a "reason" for being there, which would explain "why" MK and Liz didn't scream when they saw him, and possibly why MK waited for so long before she went to tell the parents. It's someone they knew, and I wouldn't be surprised that when and IF this case is solved, it's going to be VERY interesting. People on other boards are saying that Ricci was used as a scapegoat.

BTW, Press Conference coming up with the Smart's within 30min..didn't I call that right.

19 posted on 08/31/2002 12:35:53 PM PDT by Bella
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How would Ricci know that the alarm wasn't armed at night, especially after he had been fired for suspected theft. Ricci would have assumed Ed would start using the alarm system.

I just don't think the police had anymore on Ricci than they did on Edmunds who was living in a car in close proximity.

And now Ed tells us about the chair under the window of the too small window. I don't understand how anyone can listen to Ed and not start doubting his story.

I don't think he kidnapped his own daughter, but I do think he is or had been involved with the people that did it in some way.
20 posted on 08/31/2002 12:55:06 PM PDT by FR_addict
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