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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 24-31, 2002

Posted on 08/23/2002 9:35:01 PM PDT by IamHD

I don't know when Utahn children start school, but Elizabeth should/would be starting the 9th grade, soon. :(


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To: spore-gasm
Oh no! It's the Church Ladies!

Be persistent, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching.3For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to right teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever they want to hear.4They will reject the truth and follow strange myths.5But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don't be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at bringing others to Christ.

681 posted on 08/29/2002 7:07:48 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Soccer-Dad777
LOL!!! I noticed YOU had the good sense to sit back and wait to get #667!!
682 posted on 08/29/2002 7:08:25 PM PDT by freedox
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To: spore-gasm
a key consultant in cases such as the reinvestigation of the Sacco-Vanzetti affair, the JonBenet Ramsey murder, the John F. Kennedy assassination, and the mystery surrounding Vincent Foster's death."

I see. Wonder if he'll have as much success with this case.

Yep, the guilty are home free on this one.

684 posted on 08/29/2002 7:19:30 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
In all the shows where Henry Lee has been commentator on the Smart case I've never heard him make any contribution and he's shown less familiarity with the facts of the case than the average freeper.
685 posted on 08/29/2002 7:21:58 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
a key consultant in cases

If I remember right he sold out to the OJ defense team, trying to add doubt about OJ's shoes. I've lost respect for him over the years.

686 posted on 08/29/2002 7:27:09 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Neenah
What he is saying to the viewers is that...Ricci STILL HAD A KEY TO HIS HOUSE !!!! You can take it NO OTHER WAY !!

I think you can take it another way. We know that Ed trusted Ricci and was not aware that he was a felon. What I think is being unsaid here is that he knows that Ricci had possession of a key at one time and that Ricci gave that key back to Ed. Now that Ed knows about Ricci's criminal past, and considering that the abductor apparently entered through a locked door, Ed is suspicious that Rick made a copy of the key that was at one time in his possession. He doesn't know that Ricci has a key, but the potential is there. Once again, Ed's willingness to trust this stranger should be a lesson to us all.

688 posted on 08/29/2002 7:31:32 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Sherlock
I thought I should mention that Henry Lee also worked on the Chandra Levy murder. In fact I think he is still working on that one.
690 posted on 08/29/2002 7:37:17 PM PDT by Yellowcat
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To: spore-gasm
Thanks for the update, spore-gasm. I still wonder if Ricci is being kept under guard like Edmunds was when he was reportedly lying near death in West Virginia.
691 posted on 08/29/2002 7:45:14 PM PDT by freedox
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To: FR_addict
If I remember right he sold out to the OJ defense team, trying to add doubt about OJ's shoes. I've lost respect for him over the years.

Yes, this was horrible, wasn't it. This was the finale for me. If anyone has heard Henry Lee say anything of any value in any appearance since post it (I'm not holding my breath).

692 posted on 08/29/2002 7:48:34 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
How dare you take the Word of God, and misuse it !! This is where I draw the line with you Sherlock. You have taken the Holy word of God and used it to abuse a poster who is stating views on a kidnapping case!

You are a disgrace to the Lord in every sense of the word! People of every faith should be offended by your cheap use of His Word. I am ashamed to call you a sister in the Lord, for you have lowered yourself not only by your demenor toward your fellow man, but you have not conducted yourself in any way fitting to use His name.

This entire thread is full of slander and name calling and put downs to people who do not share your view. I think you better stop and think of what you have done. Have you honored Him? Have you conducted yourself to draw people toward him? NO, you have used the most degrading of all, you have taken his Holy Word and thrown it in a poster's face, totally out of context, for the express purpose of disagreement over a case that no one has facts over. You have degraded every poster. Could you even imagine what it might be like to have a discussion with another without slandering them every time they post?

Your vile personality, and poddy mouth are one thing, but buddy, you have spit on the Word of God by using it in the manner you did ! I am ashamed of you. If you cannot talk without demeaning another poster every time you post, and then type scripture to drive your point across, then lady, you have discredited yourself totally in my eyes. Lash out at me because I post an article, and talk about it..but you do this trick one more time, and Free Republic will get a button pushed. You don't deserve to call yourself ANYTHING. Don't you EVER, use our Lord's word like that one more time !!

I hope you can see where your heart is and fix it. You have alot of people to ask forgivness from. I suggest you start with telling our Lord you feel sorrow..and then do something to bring credit to your name. For right now..you can't get any lower to use the Lord like you did in my eyes. That is where I draw the line with you. May you see what you have done..and do something about it. He deserves that much for all He has done for you, Sherlock.

693 posted on 08/29/2002 7:49:59 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Yellowcat
I thought I should mention that Henry Lee also worked on the Chandra Levy murder. In fact I think he is still working on that one.

It you want to call it working. Lee, Wecht, & Badin volunteered their time to the Levy family pro bono in mid-July. They were allowed one brief viewing of the skeleton on appr. July 20 and, even though police say there was no DNA evidence on CL's clothing or possessions, they have not allowed these three to view them.

694 posted on 08/29/2002 7:52:03 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: cherry
"Brigham City"...has a lot to do with this case....

It certainly does show a realistic portrayal of a certain kind of naiveté that a lot of Mormons, the Smarts included, have. Sometimes people from my faith can be so uninformed about the world around them, especially those who live in Utah. This is not a condemnation because I fully understand it but it is sometimes frustrating to see. I do think that you would find the same type of phenomenon in many other religious groups.

Anyway the movie was good and I would recommend it to my friends regardless of their religious persuasion. It will give a person who knows nothing about Mormon’s a look into their values and way of life. It does this without being preachy and it is also a pretty fair whodunit.

695 posted on 08/29/2002 7:59:30 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Neenah
Well, Neenah, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one as well. The conflict between posters on this board is very much a spiritual conflict. People that take an evil pleasure in trashing this poor family that's had this horrible tragedy perpetrated on them are indeed denying sound judgement and pursuing their own lusts. You might think it's fine to enjoy ripping apart every statement this poor man makes and highlighting his words and trying to heap guilt on him for his daughter's kidnapping but it's not of God.
696 posted on 08/29/2002 8:06:24 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
Anyone who had access to the lockbox (real estate agents) also had access to a key.

Do we know for sure they had a lock box? Didn't Ed list the house with his own company? I think He or Lois would have been showing it, not some independent agent.

697 posted on 08/29/2002 8:13:05 PM PDT by sandude
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To: spore-gasm
Why would he let him keep it?

Do you think Rick might have made a copy on the sly? This is why Ed said he POTENTIALLY had a key. Ed doesn't know for sure because Ricci returned the key that he used in doing his work around the house. It seems to me that this was the MO for Rick and his boys. Work as handymen, obtain a copy of the house key, and return later for a little burglary action. Only this time, the item stolen was the Smarts beautiful little girl.

698 posted on 08/29/2002 8:24:35 PM PDT by sandude
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To: spore-gasm
Oh, nice PR move to bring Henry Lee in. It gives the patina of propriety.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand why you are so suspicious of everything that the Smart family does. I see a family that is doing everything in their power to bring their daughter home. I'm not suggesting that you like them but I do think it is easy to see that their motivation is pure and their love for Elizabeth is very strong.

699 posted on 08/29/2002 8:31:24 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
We know that Ed trusted Ricci and was not aware that he was a felon.

We DON'T KNOW that for a fact.

700 posted on 08/29/2002 8:37:30 PM PDT by varina davis
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