Elizabeth Smart thread, August 24-31, 2002

[IamHD]

I don't know when Utahn children start school, but Elizabeth should/would be starting the 9th grade, soon. :(

[Sherlock]

I have no idea what the pro-Westerfield website URL is, I've only seen articles from it posted here on the ES site.

[Sherlock]

Yes, I remember Lois' words..I believe they're posted on earlier threads..They definitely know something..

These were words crafted by FBI profilers. When she said these things she also made other statements aimed at other potential catagories of suspects, part of a shotgun approach to cover all the bases.

[Sherlock]

spore, in your last post you blasted me for not addressing the subject of your post. I thought I had but I went back to try to figure out what your subject was and thought this might have been it. What was your subject and I'll address it?

[Sherlock]

I posted that a lot of FReepers on this thread would keel over if they read other boards and saw how many people do NOT think Ricci took Liz. They actually analyze "other factors" and are willing to give weight to the possibility that something other than the 'obvious' took place.

This was the answer the first time, spore, read it:

Sorry to disappoint you but your fellow freepers are well aware that there is no limit to the ignorance and gullibility of the American public and the open willingness of much of the public to lie and deceive on any matter.

[hergus]

Why did you bring it up then? Your wording seemed argumentative, what were you trying to imply?

I've never seen anything here on the Smart thread's from any pro-westerfield websites.

Maybe you can remember better now where that website is located.

[cherry]

"crafted by FBI profilers"

is this the same FBI that let two bodies sit in a lot across the street from the victims' homes for several months?...THAT FBI???

they supposedly had had their dogs hit on that cement slab back in March, before Miranda was taken..don't know that for sure...but I do know that the cops and the fbi had ample clues ....

[hergus]

You dropped some things when you repeated your supposed answer. It's obvious you are saying that a certain (now amazingly unkown to you) pro-westerfield website is full of ignorant and gullible people who will lie and deceive.

What is your agenda here on these Smart threads? You are here daily to dose out your infantile rantings to people who post opinions that vary from yours.

Are you saying that people here that don't follow your party line are ignorant,gullible,liars and deceivers? Is that your not so hidden way of flaming people here that have opinions other than your own?

Here's your full quote in context:

"there is no limit to the ignorance and gullibility of the American public and the open willingness of much of the public to lie and deceive on any matter.What's happening on that pro-Westerfield website? "

I hope you can remember that URL now. To have taken so much of your time to learn about that website and what it contains means you must know where it is on the net.

TIA again. :-)

[Sherlock]

Why did you bring it up then? Your wording seemed argumentative, what were you trying to imply?

I was implying that that there are places on the internet where people will discuss any knucklehead idea that comes along.

I've never seen anything here on the Smart thread's from any pro-westerfield websites. Maybe you can remember better now where that website is located.

It's been here and believe me I have no idea or could care where it is. Is this something that interests you?

[Sherlock]

is this the same FBI that let two bodies sit in a lot across the street from the victims' homes for several months?...THAT FBI??? they supposedly had had their dogs hit on that cement slab back in March, before Miranda was taken..don't know that for sure...but I do know that the cops and the fbi had ample clues ....

That's the one, also the one that covered up Moslem terrorist involvement in the OKC bombing, the missile shooting of TWA Flight 800 (the only aircraft investigation where all the pieces of the aircraft had to be examined by the FBI before turning them over to the NTSB), Vince Foster, sales of technology to China, and a myriad of other issues over the last decade. I think they've become so geared towards and adept at coverup they don't know how to go about an honest investigation. All I can hope for is the best for Liz in this case.

[Sherlock]

I said what I said and I didn't stutter when I said it.

[Utah Girl]

LDS temples are for the faithful members of the LDS church to go to. In order to go to the temple, one must answer a set of questions in an interview with one's bishop and then one's stake president. The recommend itself is just a piece of paper with the date and signature of the bishop and stake president saying that one is worthy to go to the temple. It is shown at the front door of the temple.

[hergus]

You know what else the dog handlers said? Rita Cosby on FoxNews interviewed them and besides alerting to the concrete slab and the shed, the dog alerted in a field across from Weaver's to coyote feces that contained human remains.

The dog handler went on to say that in that area and in his experience in finding cadavers with his dog that coyote's dig up remains that have been buried in shallow graves, eat the remains and then defecate in other areas as they continue to roam.

This was reported to LE in March at the same time he reported the alerts to the slab and the shed.

LE kept saying they entered the property as soon as they were legally allowed to do so. If Weaver was evicted that means he was a renter. Would the actual property owner have any say in letting LE search, especially after he was evicted and jailed?

[FR_addict]

Good post on the recent FBI coverups, missteps, or just plain incompetence.

[FR_addict]

LE kept saying they entered the property as soon as they were legally allowed to do so

I'd like to know if they tried to get a search warrant. I think they would have said so if they had been turned down by a judge.

[hergus]

"It is here..."

Source please, thread dates? Please back up your assertion with the facts in writing. As you and others tell people to do all the time.

"Is this something that interests you?"

What interests me is that you and some others keep saying that certain posters are veering off topic. It is a running diatribe here.

So when you flamed and veered so far off topic I wanted to know your agenda. A question you have yet to answer.

You seem to have a hard time answering questions directed to you about your own statements.

That I find very odd, if you don't know what you are saying then obviously the rest of us cannot know. Thus your posts have no relavence.

[cherry]

"This was reported to LE in March at the same time he reported the alerts to the slab and the shed"

what I am trying to find out is was that search before Miranda G was taken?...because if it was, and the fbi and the local cops knew this,,,I find them culpable in her death...

reguardless....they took their good old time ....leaving that weaver out there all these months....we know he is in jail now for rape and perhaps attempted murder....how many others has he hit on since March...

do you think the teenage girlfriend of his son's has a civil case against the cops and the fbi?

of course, it would be just like American justice for her to sue for millions, win, and marry the son of her rapist and the killer of those two girls..

[hergus]

Thank you. As I've said before my dearest aunt is a LDS. She lives 800 miles away from me in FL and unfortunately and she can't teach me about her religion because of this separation.

She has given me several books to read and I have read on the net about the LDS beliefs. I have seen that some ceremonies are for members only, but I do not consider this a problem. I'm sure many religions and organizations do the same.

My mother's family has been involved in the Mason's, Shriner's, and Eastern Star since the early 1900's. They have ceremonies that are not for the public. Everyone has the right to worship and join organizations as they wish.

That I believe was the reason so many migrated to America, and it continues to be a cornerstone of the American way of life.

Thanks again, Utah Girl.