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To: TheOtherOne
>This is pure drivel.

Prove it. Please disprove the premise of the post.

I Corps

10 posted on 08/18/2002 7:22:19 AM PDT by I Corps
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To: I Corps
Prove it. Please disprove the premise of the post.

There is no reason to argue with psychos who believe this stuff, they are all going to the same part of hell that Matthews is in.

11 posted on 08/18/2002 7:27:57 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: I Corps
I will humor you for a minute or two.

Why have some people thought the 13th Amendment is about attorneys?

The has been some debate in the past as to the usage of the term "Esquire", still used by many attorneys today. Originally, there was no Bar Association in the United States, and those attorneys who were members of a Bar Association at all belonged to the Bar Association in Great Britain. If "Esquire" was considered to be a "title of nobility" as prohibited by the Constitution of the United States, then these people would be in violation of American law, and under the 13th Amendment, would lose their citizenship. We have since found that many of the participants in the ratification of the 13th Amendment used the term "Esquire" themselves, and sometimes right in the official correspondence pertaining to the ratification of the 13th Amendment itself. Therefore, if that particular affectation was thought by some to come under the prohibitions against titles of nobility, then it certainly wasn't seen that way by the gentlemen who wrote, supported, and actually ratified the amendment themselves.

12 posted on 08/18/2002 7:29:08 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: I Corps; All
Prove it.

I'm not a lawyer, but in my casual reading of the article:

In fact, the 13th Amendment makes it very clear that any person within the ranks of government holding public office, found to have a title of nobility or to be accepting 'honors' must lose his position and FORFEIT HIS CITIZENSHIP to the United States

it seems the intent was to prevent lawyers and others in power in government from being influenced by favors from leaders in other governments, particularly England.

If I recall my history correctly:

Maryland 12- 25-1810
Ohio 1-31-1811
Kentucky 1-31-1811
Pennsylvania 2-6-1811
Delaware 2-2-1811
New Jersey 2-13-1811
Vermont 10-24-1811
Tennessee 11-21-1811
Georgia 12-13-1811
North Carolina 12-23-1811
Massachusetts 2-27-1812
New Hampshire 12-10-1812

We were at war with England at this time (1812), and emotions were running high. I'm reading the John Adams book, and I know that jealousies and animosities ran high against the US long after we set down our arms against the Brits.

My reading of the situation is that some in government for some reason felt that anyone accepting priveliges from a foreign concern needed to be treated as a traitor.

Isn't that what we all said about Clinton, and his dealings with the Chinese and James Riady?

19 posted on 08/18/2002 7:43:55 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: I Corps
Questions for you: Do you believe that traffic stops, driver's licenses, and speeding tickets are Constitutional?
23 posted on 08/18/2002 9:34:30 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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