Posted on 08/06/2002 8:53:49 PM PDT by FresnoDA
Please post the source for this. I've followed this case closely, and frankly, all I've heard is the exact opposite. Methinks you're spinning. But show us the interview or testimony, and I'll give it more credence.
Oh, goodie! Can we also sit around the campfire and sing Kumbayah, too?
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GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY ???????????I have been on the threads since the beginning (quietly) and have enjoyed all the comments (excluding flames). I still cannot say with certainty whether or not David is guilty or innocent. |
| I have discounted the child porn. As far as I'm concerned it could have been downloaded in a zip file, unzipped, categorized when unzipped, viewed and deleted. In other words, why would Dave have thousands of pictures of big breasted women and only a few of child porn/questionable child porn if he was into child porn? I can't tell you how often I have been spammed with porno pics in my email and in pop-ups while surfing unrelated sites. My 11 year old had a "fact" sheet to do on Beavers several years ago. We needed a good graphic to go along with it. Ever do a search on Google for "beaver"??? Don't try it with your kids around!! That's not saying he isn't guilty. I have tried to understand why the police zeroed in on David so early. What was it that made them so suspicious of him that they didn't investigate the Van Dam's as thoroughly as I think they should have. After all, isn't it common to investigate the parents first? Oh yes, they say they did! I have a friend who is an engineer... he seems to be sort of an air-head at times. He's one of the smartest people I know but lacks common sense sometimes. He has a dreadful memory and is forgetful of things like wallets, key maps, etc. David reminds me of him both in looks and personality. The DNA evidence would carry more weight with me IF they had found ANYTHING in the Van Dam house that linked David with the crime. A drunk Dave quietly slipped into the Van Dam house and kidnapped Danielle and got out without being caught, shedding a hair or sweating all over the place????? It doesn't make sense! He had never been in the house. Did their house have the same floor plan as David's?? I didn't hear if that question had been asked. Damon's story of Danielle writing in her journal just doesn't ring true. Danielle was an active child. I don't know of any child Danielle's age that disciplined. Brenda's story about leaving Danielle in the dressing room is strange. I can see a mother leaving her daughter for a moment or two in a dressing room in order to get something else for her to try on..... BUT TO LEAVE THE STORE??? NO WAY!! The pajamas story bothers me too. Damon's reaction to the pajamas in particular. I have a son that walked in his sleep as a child. It seemed to happen more often when he was excessively tired or under stress. He didn't go outside. I found him one night trying to open the door, but because he was asleep he didn't know to unlock the door. Following Conditions:
Hopefully, the jury will not convict on the above.
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Hi BARLF, thanks so much. It's always good to see you here, as well. I still manage to read most all of the posts and catch the trial testimony, but haven't had as much free time to post these days.
"Do you remember what # you chose for foreman of this jury? I made a note of my pick but have lost it.......:("
Good memory BARLF! Those predictions were made so long ago, I had forgotten about them.
I just went back and found the list Fres posted, when the jury was first selected. It was, long ago (5/31). Hard to believe it's been that long.
Your pick was #70. His dad was HP.
I had #85; RnMomo, went with #51; Karson with #80; and Demsux chose #65. If any others ventured a prediction, I couldn't find them.
The problem is, I think they were all given new numbers, from 1-12. Maybe someone has the new numbering assignments and will share them with us.
To help us with matching those numbers, following, is Fres's original list from "Jury selection completed in Westerfield trial: Proceedings begin next week." posted 5/31 (minus all his great HTML work) but with his comments included.
I'm thinking he may have been right on, regarding his mistrial prediction, but for reasons, not even Fres's "Madam Renee" could have foreseen, way back than. LOL
POSTED 5/31/02; by FresnoDA:
" Juror No. 1, a welfare-eligibility worker. She expressed concerns about the behavior of Danielle's parents, who admitted smoking marijuana the night their daughter vanished from their house.
Juror No. 33, a white woman who suffers from anxiety, listens to radio personality Rush Limbaugh and holds the general belief that "if you intentionally take a person's life, you should lose yours."
Juror No. 34, a white woman who is a native of Germany, works at a German cultural center, takes care of her sick husband and believes the death penalty is a deterrent.
Juror No. 38, a black woman who suffers from stress, hopes to earn a degree in Christian studies and believes pornography is "immoral" and "sick."
Juror No. 51, a Latino man who has four children, two grandchildren and believes pornography is "morally wrong." If asked to impose either the death penalty or life without parole, he would "pray to God I made the right decision."
Juror No. 61, a white woman who works as a county probate examiner. She considers herself "a little left of middle" on the death penalty.
Juror No. 65, an 83-year-old white man who is a retired Army colonel and the grandfather of a 7-year-old girl. He expressed reservations about the death penalty, saying he has heard that some states execute retarded people. He has a retarded son.
Juror No. 70, a white man who works as a software engineer. His father spent his career as a state trooper. He strongly supports the death penalty.
Juror No. 74, a black woman with two grandchildren, ages 5 and 13. She said her support of the death penalty would rank an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10. Asked her thoughts on pornography, she said: "I'm an old lady. I don't think it would shock me. I have to accept this as something new."
Juror No. 80, a student. He said he has taken classes at Mesa College and is hoping to earn a degree in business management. He said he wanted to serve on the jury.
Juror No. 85, a white man who works as a claims adjuster. He majored in theater arts in college and thought about going into acting. He ranks his support of the death penalty as "probably a 5" on a scale of 1 to 10. Here is a brief analysis of the VD jury........using the Madam Renee Astrological Method!!!!
AN ANXIOUS WELFARE WORKER WITH STRESS FROM GERMANY. WITH FOUR CHILDREN, TWO GRANDCHILDREN, LIKES LATIN PORN, ALSO IS A PROBATE ARMY COLONEL WHO SPECIALIZES IN SOFTWARE WITH TWO MORE GRANDCHILDREN WHO ATTEND MESA COLLEGE AS CLAIMS ADJUSTORS WHO CAN NOT ACCOUNT FOR A NEWBORN BABY......
YEP, GUARANTEED MISTRIAL
33 posted on 5/31/02 4:51 PM Pacific by FresnoDA
Shouldn't that be scapeC-O-A-T? :)
As far as the porn goes, it's hard to judge, when we haven't seen what was actually there. By the relative small amount of questionable images found, it seems to me, that his interest centered on large breasted, mature women. However, based on evidence presented (and lack thereof), I do think there is a greater chance that the jury will convict on the porn, than the murder/kidnapping charge. JMO
Lord, grant these twelve jurors great wisdom to understand all the testimony they have heard over the past two months, and the clarity of mind to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Give them strength to endure, and fill them with a sense of honor and integrity, and the desire to do what is right.
May You shine the light of truth into the darkness of their confusion, that the jurors will discern honesty from those who bear false witness against their neighbor.
Although You say "Justice is Mine," may You see fit to allow justice for Danielle here on this earth, that her death may not lead to the death of other innocents.
We pray that truth will prevail, and that the sword of justice will weigh heavily on those who would use it falsely to bring glory to themselves.
May Your will be done, in Jesus name.
Amen.
sw
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