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San Diego Swings: Van Dam trial brings "swinging" into the spotlight!
San Diego Online ^ | August 2, 2002 | Thomas K. Arnold

Posted on 08/03/2002 6:32:12 AM PDT by FresnoDA

San Diego Swings

PhotoThe murder of little Danielle van Dam brought “swinging” into the spotlight. Log on to the World Wide Web, type in “San Diego” and “swingers” on the Yahoo search, and you get 6,160 hits. That’s more than “San Diego” in combination with “hiking trails” (2,570), “car clubs” (772) or “pet lovers” (359)—though not as many as “golfers” (7,430) or “Republicans” (18,900).

By Thomas K. Arnold

Club Paradise, according to its Web site, “is situated in the back hills of the El Cajon Valley, nestled in a secluded, yet easy to access area.” The facility offers a “high-class, home-party style environment” and boasts “5,000 square feet of fun, including a swimming pool, spa and backyard fire pit to socialize with your new friends while warming your erogenous zones.”

Guests are “welcome to bring some goodies (besides your wife)”—and once their erogenous zones are sufficiently warmed, they may choose from “plenty of play areas ... most prefer the living room floor or kitchen, but [private] rooms are always available.”

Club CB is an on-line club “providing a safe meeting place for sensuous consenting adults.” Member parties promise “the hottest couples, the best facilities, very tasty buffet dinners, scrumptious desserts and a staff dedicated to ensuring your experience is clean, fun and safe.”

Club CB party organizers boast they specialize in “stirring up erotic sensations and placing our members in the ideal environment to meet and expand friendships with the most exciting people in San Diego County ... all while raising funds for local charity foundations contributing to the research for multiple sclerosis and other debilitating diseases.”

Welcome to the wonderful—and apparently charitable—world of swinging, San Diego style.

Tony Lanzaratta, a retired Los Angeles police officer who, as executive director of NASCA International, probably has a better handle on swinging than anyone else in the country, stops short of saying San Diego is a hotbed for what he calls “play couples.”

“It’s impossible to chart,” Lanzaratta says. “But I travel a lot, and I know one thing: I meet a lot of people from San Diego.”

He says there are half a dozen organized swing clubs in San Diego County, some in private homes and some in commercial buildings. None is openly marked. “San Diego is a very conservative city,” he says, “so you just can’t do that.”

But even the local presence of half a dozen organized swing clubs—most of them with Web sites rivaling those of ritzy desert resorts—is no barometer for how many San Diegans actually participate in what Lanzaratta and other swingers call “the lifestyle.” According to the official NASCA Web site, that lifestyle is defined as follows:

“Swinging is social and sexual intercourse with someone other than your mate, boyfriend or girlfriend, excepting the traditional one-on-one dating. It may be defined as recreational social sex. The activity may occur at a swing party, a couple-to-couple encounter, a liaison or with a third person in a threesome. Though single men and women are involved, it is primarily an activity of couples.”

“A lot of people just have little neighborhood get-togethers in their homes, five or six couples who go for it,” Lanzaratta says. “The thing is, people are not card-carrying swingers; they don’t necessarily have to belong to clubs or even frequent parties. People don’t call up and say, ‘We’re with the Rand Corporation; are you swingers?’ So many people keep it hidden.”

NASCA originally stood for North American Swing Club Association, but now goes solely by its acronym. That’s because membership in the loosely knit, Orange County–based confederation of swing clubs now extends beyond North America—and Lanzaratta and other practitioners of “the lifestyle” believe the term “swing” has become dated.

“‘Swinging’ is not really a favored term anymore,” Lanzaratta says. “Swinging kind of connotes 1950s wife-swapping crap. It has little to do with that, and that’s why lifestyle organizations prefer to use the term ‘play couple.’”

Call it what you will—swinging is big news these days, and all because of a vivacious, bright-eyed little girl who was snatched from her home, brutally murdered and then dumped in East County.

The Danielle van Dam kidnapping and murder case has gripped San Diegans from the time the 7-year-old was first discovered to be missing from her Sabre Springs home in early February. It has also pushed into the spotlight—or shoved under the microscope—what had previously been one of San Diego’s salacious little secrets: the thriving local “swinging” scene in which the dead girl’s parents, Brenda and Damon van Dam, were involved.

From the time KFMB Radio talk-show host Rick Roberts first brought up rumors of the van Dams’ mate-swapping lifestyle, there’s been a collective finger-wagging of disapproval—and also a collective curiosity about the phenomenon.

During the murder trial of David Westerfield, defense attorney Steven Feldman tried to convince jurors that swinging may have opened the van Dams’ doors—figuratively and literally—to all sorts of perverts who could have made off with and later killed Danielle. Early in the trial, he even tried to question Brenda van Dam about what he called “sex parties,” but Judge William Mudd stopped the grieving mother from answering broad questions about her sex life because he deemed them “irrelevant.”

No wonder, then, that local swingers are becoming increasingly gun-shy.

“It seems that the San Diego media are finally waking up to alternative lifestyles about 50 years late and for all the wrong reasons, i.e., the van Dams,” Jay, who operates the Free Body, Mind & Spirit Society, one of San Diego’s swing clubs, wrote in an e-mail, replying to a query. “Our membership is composed of mostly late arrivals from the rest of the world. They are quite aware that they now reside in the epicenter of geekocracy and therefore do not wish any publicity. Nobody likes to find burning crosses on their front lawns.”

Lanzaratta, too, decries the spotlight directed toward the San Diego swinging scene by the van Dam case. “It’s too bad there was this sudden interest in the lifestyle because a crime was committed,” he says. “The lifestyle, from what I’ve seen and heard, has nothing to do with the crime. These are everyday couples, and the suspect in this case is not a couple, is he? He’s a single male. So where is this thing coming from? I’m sure the defense is going to use this [the van Dams’ connection to swinging] and say they are unfit parents and all that B.S., but that’s a bunch of crap. They’re just trying to latch onto anything at all. I can’t fault the attorneys, because that’s their job, but for everybody else to jump on the bandwagon is just crazy.”

Lanzaratta’s indignation underscores the basic philosophy that seems to be embraced by most swingers: What they are doing is perfectly normal—and besides, what goes on behind closed doors between two (or more) consenting adults is nobody’s damn business.

“Eighty percent of the human world population is polygamous, so maybe the monogamists are freaks,” claims Jay. “We swingers all seem to feel completely healthy.”

(Jay’s comments aren’t entirely accurate. He might be referring to the legality of polygamy, not the practice. According to the polygamypage.info Web site, “In most of the world polygamy is an acceptable social practice and is never a crime. In much of the Western world, including Britain and most of the United States, the practice of polygamy is not illegal. As long as the marriages are not registered with the state, there is no offense, although there is also hardly any legal recognition of the relationship. In a few states, the bigamy law is used together with a ‘common-law marriage’ law to define polygamy as illegal. These laws also tend to make same-sex partnerships and cohabitation by unmarried couples illegal as well.”)

From the NASCA International Web site: “People who swing come from all economic levels. Every job classification, all races and nationalities are represented, though the majority are Caucasian, middle to upper-middle socio-economic class, and married. Swingers ... tend to be adventuresome, emotionally mature and have excellent relationships with their mates and friends. ... Many single women have joined swing clubs, finding them a refreshing alternative to the traditional bar scene.”

Lanzaratta, 52, a proud swinger for 14 years, says that definition really says it all. Sex is just part of the lifestyle, he maintains.

“It’s first and foremost social, with a capital S,” he says. “Now, what these people do after they meet other couples is between them, but 40 percent to 50 percent never take it to the next step, which is sex. It’s a place to go to be social with like-minded people, but certainly not just to get laid.”

Typical swingers, Lanzaratta says, tend to be baby boomer couples in their 40s or 50s with time and money to travel. The annual Lifestyles convention, which used to be here in San Diego but is now held in Las Vegas or Reno, draws upwards of 6,000 attendees each year, he says.

“They are factory workers and firemen and store clerks and bankers and doctors and newscasters,” Lanzaratta says. “It’s a total cross-section of whatever middle America or normal America is. It’s couples looking for a social outlet. They’re tired of theater and dinner and $100 nightclubs. They want to go to clubs where they can meet and socialize with nice couples, with no lecherous singles stuff or pickup scene. It’s not a meat market; people who go to our clubs have no requirement to do anything.”

Of course, if they do choose to do anything of a sexual nature, he says, “they’ve got privacy, anonymity and the company of other couples.

“Sex is certainly a big part of it,” Lanzaratta concedes, “but it’s not the only thing.”

Sampling of classified advertising on the Internet indicates that sex may be a bigger part of “the lifestyle” for some swingers than the ones with whom Lanzaratta is familiar. Here are some ads from San Diego swingers pulled off www.e-MacDaddy.com, a portal for adult sites:

From Dan: “Hi, I’m a good-looking and athletic male, looking to be a sex toy. I am putting myself out [for] any kind of adventure. 3somes or anything, I’m game. I’m disease and drug free and expect the same.”

From Twoofus: “Me and my wife are looking for a couple to swing with or a party to go to. Is there a good place to just sleep with many people at once? Any info would be helpful or another young attractive couple like ourselves that would be interested would be great.”

From Shon: “Wife and I are looking for a partner to join up for a night. Male or female. If male wifey says must be big. ... Females must be in shape, nice body. No skinny model chicks!”

From SD and NW: “We have been in the San Diego area a little over a year and we are interested in making new friends. We are interested in the swinger lifestyle. We are willing and able to try anything once and we would like to experience this lifestyle. We are a married (wife is bi) couple with no children. We are both clean and in good health. If we sound interesting to you, please e-mail us and we would like to meet you for dinner or just a coffee out. PLEASE NO BI OR GAY MEN.”

So how does one go about joining a swing club? Lanzaratta says that regardless of whether a “lifestyle club” has a physical headquarters or consists of parties held in various places, the mechanism is the same. It all starts with an interview.

“You contact them via phone or e-mail and then they talk to you, talk to the [partner], have you come into an office and meet you in person,” he explains. “They sit you both down and interview you to make sure both of you are on board with this. There have been instances in which the guy dupes the woman into doing this, and no one wants to have any problems.”

Once the prospective swingers “pass” the interview hurdle, they pay an initial membership fee—$130 is standard, and that includes the first “party”—and then are given a date, time and location of the next gathering. Most San Diego swing clubs hold get-togethers for couples every weekend, or every other weekend. “Some are also open on Wednesday night, hump night—no pun intended,” Lanzaratta says with a laugh.

Most parties are for couples only, but sometimes single men or single women are allowed in—typically on Friday nights, when the action’s a bit slower than on Saturday nights. The membership fees allow these functions to be private. “If they were open to the public,” Lanzaratta says, “there could be problems.”

Once at a “party,” couples pay a cover charge of $50 to $60. That fee buys them not just admission but also munchies.

“Most of the nicer clubs have a nice buffet,” Lanzaratta says. After dinner, “you get up and sit somewhere and strike up a conversation with somebody else,” he says. Most clubs have deejays playing music, “so you get up and dance and mingle and drink a little to get more relaxed.”

And from there, well, use your imagination. “If it’s an on-premise club, there’s an area for sex,” Lanzaratta says. “It could be a back room, it could be a bedroom—that varies greatly, too. Some couples will only be with another couple if they’re both there; others want to be separate. The orgy scene is not really that prevalent—it’s usually two couples, three couples max. And then there are situations in which the man doesn’t want to do anything—he wants his wife or girlfriend to be with someone else.”

Robin C. (not her real name) is a young North County mother who briefly tried the swinger lifestyle several years ago, before she and her husband had children. Speaking through an intermediary—she’s deathly afraid of being identified—Robin says she was enticed to try “the lifestyle” by her husband. After much prodding, she relented. They hooked up with another couple her husband knew and had sex with one another.

“I knew it was wrong, but I did it,” she says. Robin and her husband soon opted out of the lifestyle, but the memories are still painful. “What were we thinking?” she asks. “This just isn’t normal.”

Lanzaratta isn’t at all surprised at this story. He says “the lifestyle” is best suited to older couples who have been married for a while and who are on solid ground.

“New relationships aren’t ready for something like this,” he says. “They have still got a lot to learn about each other. In fact, when we have a young couple come in, we give them some food for thought. We say, ‘You guys might want to think about it for a while.’”

Young couples, Lanzaratta says, are also more likely to feel insecure, which can lead to jealousy and guilt.

“Jealousy is pretty common in couples just starting out,” he says. “They need to separate love from sex. It [swinging] is recreation; it’s like going out and playing golf or tennis. And if they can keep it in that context—and if it is that for both parties—only then are they ready. Sure, the first time there might be pangs of anxiety or jealousy, or ‘Wait, you really enjoyed that; I’ve never seen you like that.’

“But they need to discuss everything before they do it and after they do it, and make sure nothing’s hidden. If one partner is more gung-ho than the other, they need to take several steps back and regroup, and ask themselves, ‘What are we trying to accomplish here?’”

Rich Hycer is a psychologist with a practice in Solana Beach. Since 1976, he has counseled hundreds of individuals and couples about relationships. He frowns on swinging just as he does on affairs, and says both can cause irreparable harm in a relationship.

“In most cases, it’s really an avoidance of dealing with the issues,” Hycer explains. “It’s much more important to look to ourselves and to what’s going on between us and our partner than look outside the marriage.”

He says people who are drawn to sex outside marriage, or outside a committed relationship, invariably are looking for a quick fix. “They may feel their marriage or relationship isn’t satisfying, but they don’t want to go through the problems of divorce,” he says. “It may temporarily make people feel good, but it doesn’t deal with the underlying issues that are going on in that marriage or relationship. It may be a short-term, ‘feel-good’ experience, but it doesn’t really solve issues and can become an avoidance.”

Lanzaratta agrees that swinging can be detrimental for couples whose relationships are in trouble. But for those involved in solid, mutually satisfying relationships, he maintains, “it’s just the opposite—it brings couples closer together and deepens their commitment. It’s not the way to fix a bad marriage; it’s a way to enhance a good marriage.”

What drives people to seek sex outside of marriage? Monogamy is unnatural, Lanzaratta says—which is why so many people have affairs, something he rails against.

He adds that, contrary to common thought, women are often the drivers behind a couple’s entry into “the lifestyle.”

“A lot of women would like maybe to have an experience with another woman, but they have no idea how to go about it in regular society,” Lanzaratta says. “This is one place they can find it. This is very acceptable here. It’s the covering up and the cheating that destroys a marriage, not the sex. This is something couples do together.” 


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To: JudyB1938
I wonder how lucrative this swinging lifestyle is? "Sex is certainly a big part of it," Lanzarratta concedes,"but it's not the only thing."

Lanzaratta is Executive Director of NASCA International.

Think about that .......

21 posted on 08/03/2002 9:40:33 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: BARLF
Just typed in NASCA on a search. There is a website - nasca.com.
22 posted on 08/03/2002 9:59:53 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: All
I found that El Cajon swinger's club website a while ago and wondered where exactly it was - WARNING - IF YOU DO NOT WANT PORN ON YOUR COMPUTER - DO NOT TRY TO FIND OR GO TO THAT WEBSITE - IT HAS A BIG OL PORN PIC RIGHT THERE ON IT _ AND WON"T GIVE YOU ANY MORE INFO THAN THE ARTICLE DID. I can post just the text if anyone wants it.
23 posted on 08/03/2002 10:24:49 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya
Mommya - I went ahead and looked and after doing so, it's inconceivable to me that an investigation could have been done so quickly - ruling out DVD, or anyone in any way associated with the group in the house that night.
24 posted on 08/03/2002 10:45:45 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Bluebird Singing
SO how are you going to bring this to anyone attention? National Enquirer maybe? They seem to be the most accurate on some of these cases.....Sad for our media.
25 posted on 08/03/2002 11:11:16 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: FresnoDA
Central Valley Social Club: PO Box 1864 Clovis, CA 93613-1864; 559-443-6244;

In your own backyard, I wonder if swingers there use crew cab pickup trucks with rifle racks in back??
26 posted on 08/03/2002 11:17:21 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: BARLF
That caught my eye right away, also.
27 posted on 08/03/2002 11:30:29 AM PDT by sunshine state
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To: Bluebird Singing
I tried Tony Lanzaratta and Google. Lots of stuff there,conventions etc.

Now I feel dirty. Hope my computer isn't!

28 posted on 08/03/2002 11:54:17 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: sunshine state
CEO of a huge enterprise!
29 posted on 08/03/2002 11:57:39 AM PDT by BARLF
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To: FresnoDA
If monogamy is freakish I guess I'm part of a proud few. I think it's best to remember that even though the Van Dams' lifestyle is severely ethically challenged, David Westerfield is the one on trial for killing that girl.
30 posted on 08/03/2002 12:00:56 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: Commander8
If monogamy is freakish I guess I'm part of a proud few. I think it's best to remember that even though the Van Dams' lifestyle is severely ethically challenged, David Westerfield is the one on trial for killing that girl.

Three questions fer ya', Commander;
1.) Do you believe a defendant has the right to a fair trial ?
2.) Do you believe a defendant has the right to access information and evidence that may demonstrate he is innocent ?
3.) Why were the attorneys for David Westerfield in part denied access to information and evidence about the crime scene and what witnesses did and said ?

After all, David Westerfield is accused of both kidnapping and murder. The Van Dam's house is part of the crime scene and yet it appears that the Van Dams destroyed evidence in the crime scene itself, even while police were still searching for Danielle Van Dam. Vacuuming, steam cleaning,repainting and recarpeting is the destruction of crime scene evidence. The pizza partiers were witnesses. They hold vital information. The defense should have access to that information.
31 posted on 08/03/2002 1:23:11 PM PDT by pyx
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To: pyx
Well said!!
32 posted on 08/03/2002 1:28:21 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: FresnoDA
Great parents those Van Dams...UGH!
33 posted on 08/03/2002 1:55:16 PM PDT by KLT
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To: John Jamieson
John,
In regards to Dusek, Hall testimony. First it was very painful to read. Second it is probably the best evidence I have seen of how our court system is not set up to deal with technical data. Hall was required many times to answer yes or no (the judge said answer yes or no, not even option for don't know, or does not apply) to questions on hypothetical examples with incorrect data as part of the question.

Dusek spent 1/2 his time arguing that Hall criticized Goff on average temperatures and that Hall was in error because Goff wrote median and Hall said average (which in this case were the same). Hall's main criticism of Goff was that he used degree hours versus degree days for thermal calculations when Goff had no hourly temperatures to deal with (he made them up by averaging daily temperatures.

When Hall finally discusses one subset of Anderson's data that would lead to early Feb., it was with only one type of fly. The other fly type was in the 12th range and the other data sets for both flies came out 12th or later.
I also found it troubling that Dusek was able to make snide remarks like "you do know who to calculate that don't you?" and "your flies" to Hall and not get any warning from the judge.

Then there was this in the transcript:
DUSEK
Q ARE YOU SAYING CLOSE ENOUGH FOR A MURDER CASE?

A. NO. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT --

MR. FELDMAN: THAT'S ARGUMENTATIVE, OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.

THE COURT: THE DOCTOR'S ALREADY ANSWERED IT. OVERRULED.

So does that go down as a NO? That certainly was not the intent of the answer, but there was no follow up question.

Frustrating

34 posted on 08/03/2002 2:03:27 PM PDT by clearvision
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To: JudyB1938
Oh yeah the cops in the Samantha case etc are all good and the ones in the Van Dam case are all "rotten".

What a joke.

35 posted on 08/03/2002 4:49:30 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Greg, a couple of the policemen in the Van Dam case have been previously reprimanded, repeatedly, for falsifying evidence. Do you think that's okay? I mean, to plant evidence or misconstrue statements by witnesses in order to "catch" the perp?
36 posted on 08/03/2002 5:02:23 PM PDT by shezza
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To: shezza
Well go look into all the cops involved in the Samantha and the kidnapped teens case. Maybe you'll find a couple there that have been "reprimanded" for something as well.

Are you claiming that Westerfield was framed? Did the cops take lessons in doing it from Mark Fuhrman and Phil Van Atter?

37 posted on 08/03/2002 5:07:50 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Then you admit the two San Diego cops have done something rotten. On what basis Greg? Show us the proof.
38 posted on 08/03/2002 6:33:17 PM PDT by bvw
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To: FresnoDA
Thanks for the ping Fres. This swing-dude says sex is just "part" of the lifestyle. I wonder if dopesmoking is the other part since that what the Van Dams engage in? I don't believe for one sec they discourage young couples about the lifestyle. They probably recruit them.
39 posted on 08/03/2002 7:13:58 PM PDT by Lanza
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To: bvw
Whatever.
40 posted on 08/03/2002 7:16:24 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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