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Prosecution's Bug Expert Struggles On Stand:08/01/2002 Westefield Trial Nears Finish Lap!
Court TV ^ | August 1, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 07/31/2002 9:20:15 PM PDT by FresnoDA

Prosecution's bug expert struggles on stand

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Forensic entomologist Madison Lee Goff, left, testifies for the prosecution at the trial of David Westerfield.

SAN DIEGO — The insect expert prosecutors hoped would destroy David Westerfield's chances for acquittal stumbled badly during his turn on the witness stand Tuesday, capping confusing, overly technical testimony with the admission he made basic math errors in his findings.

Madison Lee Goff, one of the most experienced scientists in the small field of forensic entomology, blushed a deep red as a defense lawyer for the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam repeatedly confronted him with five separate errors in data he used to analyze bugs collected at the 7-year-old's autopsy.

"I made a mistake adding," said Goff, the chair of the forensic science department at Honolulu's Chaminade University and one of only nine certified forensic entomologists in North America.

Entomology has become a battleground as Westerfield's two-month long capital murder trial draws to a close. The strongest evidence for the defense comes from this field in which insect specialists use the age of maggots and flies decomposing a body to help determine a time of death. Danielle, abducted from her bedroom Feb. 1, was missing 26 days and when her body was finally found, the medical examiner was unable to pinpoint when she was killed. Two forensic entomologists hired by the defense said their analyses suggested her body was dumped along a roadside in mid-February, long after Westerfield was under constant police surveillance.

Prosecutors, who have a pile of other evidence against Westerfield, including hair, blood and fingerprint evidence, hired Goff soon after the first defense entomologist testified.

Goff said Tuesday he disagreed with the conclusions of both defense experts, but the time frame he offered, Feb. 9 to Feb. 14, was only slightly earlier than theirs and did not neatly fit the prosecution's theory that Danielle was killed between Feb. 2 and Feb. 4 while Westerfield claims he was on a solo camping trip. Prosecutor Jeff Dusek had to question his own expert in much the same way as he cross-examined the defense experts, hinting that variables in the weather and the disposal of Danielle's body cast doubt on the certainty of any entomological findings.

Goff agreed that very hot, very dry weather conditions in San Diego in February might have mummified Danielle's 58-pound body almost immediately and that flies may not have been attracted to the desiccated body. A forensic anthropologist, called by the prosecution last week to cast doubt on the bug evidence, said the insects may have arrived later and only after coyotes and other animals began scavenging her body and Goff said this scenario seemed possible.

He also said a covering, such as a blanket, might have kept flies at bay initially. No covering was found and Goff later said the longest delay by such a shroud was two and a half days.

Much of his testimony was a detailed view into the mathematical nuts and bolts of his conclusions. Goff did not look at the bugs himself. Instead, he reviewed photos and the reports of the defense experts. He told jurors he came up with four separate time lines based on two different temperatures at two separate locations, a golf course a mile and a half from the crime scene and National Weather Service station farther away.

Goff's testimony bounced between these four sets of findings and even after he said the lower temperature and the weather service station provided the most reliable, appropriate date, it was often unclear which findings he was referring to. He peppered his speech with entomological jargon like "accumulated degree hours" and referred to blowflies by their the Latin names. He talked about temperatures in Celsius degrees, frequently prompting Dusek to ask for a Fahrenheit translation. Much of his work seemed lost on jurors, who stopped taking notes early on in his testimony.

On cross-examination, defense lawyer Steven Feldman grilled him about the way he calculated the day-to-day temperatures which dictate how fast an insect grows. Goff explained the process, but then Feldman handed him a pocket calculator and asked him to review his findings. With the courtroom completely silent, Goff added rows of figures and discovered his errors. Feldman asked him if the mistakes effected the accuracy of his estimates and Goff said they did. Several jurors picked up their notebooks and began writing rapidly.

A few minutes later, under questioning by Dusek, Goff said the slip ups made little difference in the ultimate conclusions. And as he had earlier in his testimony, he emphasized to jurors that his was an extremely narrow study of bugs, not a "stopwatch" for determining time of death.

"We're establishing a minimum period of time the insects have been feeding on the body," said Goff.

"Are you establishing a time of death?" asked prosecutor Jeff Dusek.

"No, that's outside our area of expertise," said Goff.

Danielle's parents, Brenda and Damon van Dam, watched most of the testimony from the back row of the courtroom, occasionally flinching as Goff described the condition of their daughter's remains.

The prosecution rested its rebuttal case after Goff's testimony. There will be no witnesses Wednesday and the defense will put on its sur-rebuttal case Thursday. Closing arguments could happen as early as next Monday.

Also Tuesday, a lab technician testified that orange clothes some law enforcement officers wore when searching Westerfield's house were not the source of fibers found in both the defendant's home and in Danielle's necklace.

The trial is being broadcast live on Court TV.



TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: bugguys; daniellevandam; davidwesterfield
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I'm definitely not an expert in the field, but the science is a solid and useful one. It is just my slightly educated opinion that the prosecution has a problem with the time of placement of the body, due to the entomological data. I haven't been following this sordid case too closely, and I don't know what all the other evidence is for the prosecution, but based on the fly data, and the inconsistency in the story of how DW got the child out of the house, I think I would vote not-guilty if on that jury. But like I said, they all seem to be scum, so I don't care if they're all found guilty.
321 posted on 08/01/2002 11:19:40 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: BARLF
Did you see the article in yesterdays paper about the man being freed

YES. It was here in Missouri and he was freed because of a DNA test they did which cleared him, but, of course, was not possible 18 years ago when they convicted him.

Does show that some innocents get convicted regardless.

With today's newer techniques one would think there would be LESS CHANCE of wrong conviction.

Actually, NOT. With newer techniques, evidence can be gathered which appears to show a link, but means nothing. Years ago such evidence was beyond collection/analysis. (such as carpet fibers). So new techniques can still be used to convict an innocent person, believe it or not.

322 posted on 08/01/2002 11:20:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: VRWC_minion
Sorry, you should have said something.

I tried to hint, but I ran into a density problem.

324 posted on 08/01/2002 11:20:36 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: VRWC_minion
It looks like Goff may not have been in error in his math. This guy is missing a very basic math concept.

How can a guy in this field who bases his opinions on averages and medians etc not know the difference between median and mean ?

325 posted on 08/01/2002 11:21:33 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: alexandria
Good point. I am getting a headache listening to Dusek, and wondering if the Jury is going thru the same thing.

We need to wait for Feldman's redirect... This appears to be Duseks final chance to win the case.

sw

326 posted on 08/01/2002 11:22:50 AM PDT by spectre
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To: VRWC_minion
Guy just made larger error than math error. He doesn't know the difference between median and mean.

SO MINION, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE...HHMMMM???


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n.
  1. Something having a position, quality, or condition midway between extremes; a medium.
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    1. A number that typifies a set of numbers, such as a geometric mean or an arithmetic mean.
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327 posted on 08/01/2002 11:22:59 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: YaYa123
I think Dusek is killing this defense expert. The jury surely has to see he's being evasive, feigning lack of understanding the question so he doesn't even have to answer the simplest question.

This witness is not being evasive; Dusek is groping for anything he can grab at, and as a result, his questions are not very clear. All of Dusek's questioning now is to distract the jury from the fact that DW could not have deposited the body at a time that is consistent with the evidence from all the bug guys.

328 posted on 08/01/2002 11:24:23 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: VRWC_minion
The prosecutor has the guy rattled. He's using all his braincells to think up evasive answers, none left over for technicalities. If he's not very very careful, the prosecutor is going to catch him in a huge lie...that's what he's gunning for.
329 posted on 08/01/2002 11:24:52 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: demsux
Lost feed again..

Rats.. the median is a different computation...

note: I'm not sure of context cuz i lost feed

Is the # correct if he gave the median...??

He wrote in his report that goff shows an inattention to details cuz the average is wrong... objection, overruled, witness that is correct.

Did he ask goff or compute it to see if it was a correct median number? No he did not.

Did he criticzed goff for using daily temps at singing ? hills? ?? Not a direct answer... they only temps available were daily min and max temps.. He's not giving a yes or no answer..period. Court reporter has to reread the question.

He criticized him fo rusing max and min temp for something HOURS. Did he do the sam thing yes and he doesn' tknow how faulkner used his numbers. Maybe limburg SP? field.

he believes within the time he had, he tried to spend as much detail as possible..about june 19th..first contact.

He got the temp reports about 2 weeks ago.

He's not seen faulkners notes from ?? either from memory from transcripts or something else.

Sorry dems am getting lost here.

Between testimony transcripts, faulkner/haskell...

330 posted on 08/01/2002 11:24:59 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: cyncooper
FIRST, I am the HEAD JACKAL, of the DW FAN CLUB, well PRESIDENT, I believe. We(I) had an election and since no one else bothered to vote, I won
331 posted on 08/01/2002 11:25:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: FresnoDA
Big difference.

The average and mean are two entirely different numbers.

332 posted on 08/01/2002 11:25:47 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: connectthedots
I don't think the judge agrees with you. The judge has nixed all Feldman's objections.
333 posted on 08/01/2002 11:26:51 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: agrandis
Unfortunately, the truth will never come out in the debacle. It seems doubtful that anyone has or will have learned a lesson about "lifestyles" or any of this other sordid stuff.

There are two Van Dam boys, they should be the concern now. That doesn't appear to be the case either, that is even more sad, IMO.
334 posted on 08/01/2002 11:26:52 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: VRWC_minion
And you are a World Com accountant, right?
335 posted on 08/01/2002 11:27:37 AM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: YaYa123
He's using all his braincells to think up evasive answers, none left over for technicalities

My 12 year old knows the difference between mean and median. This guy actually didn't know there was a difference. He thought they were the same.

336 posted on 08/01/2002 11:27:38 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: alexandria; All
Do you belive Dusak is going into anus as access because it is tighter? That is incorrect, after death the mucules of the anus relax and therefore would be an opening for flies. Glad I am not getting the live feed right now. I read this post and thought I was on a CONDIT thread or a PORN thread.

Man, (...shaking head...) going to have to ask the day nurse for another cocktail of valium,prosac, and sominex!

337 posted on 08/01/2002 11:28:28 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: agrandis
Thanks for your input - very valuable here. So - is it your opinion - that both sides could deal with the mintutia of this entomological stuff and slant it a bit one way or the other - go back and forth forever - but basically - it's obvious - she was not there back in early feb. but placed there in mid feb.?
338 posted on 08/01/2002 11:28:32 AM PDT by mommya
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To: I. Ben Hurt
Welcome BTW I BEN Hurt too...great name
339 posted on 08/01/2002 11:28:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: VRWC_minion
When given only two numbers, a high and a low, what is the difference between the mean and the median?
340 posted on 08/01/2002 11:28:34 AM PDT by bolthead
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