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| July 21, 2002
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Posted on 07/21/2002 6:30:10 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: homeschool mama
I knew there's a reason I love him.
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posted on
07/21/2002 8:26:53 PM PDT
by
WIMom
To: Mo1
We live in the boonies. We've had a ton of rain, so fire isn't a problem. I've discussed with the girls about friends who know friends who know friends, and the both are 2 years out of high school and the HS kids aren't an issue, neither are univited guests. This is a close knit group of friends. Like I said earlier, we know the kids who would be here, and we know most of their families. Can you see the dilemma?
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posted on
07/21/2002 8:31:24 PM PDT
by
WIMom
To: WIMom
If someone decided to sue you it could get ugly....... if you even "hinted" to anyone that "what I don't know won't hurt me" you could get pounded in court........Hell, you could still be liable just because it was on your property.....right?
Very tricky situation........ how many people are they wanting to have? Is there any way to contact those parents and have them sign a waiver? I'm basically a chicken......I think I would say no......lol
To: Mo1
Yes, I know. I'm going to my 25 year hs reunion in August. This wouldn't even have been an issue then. It's sad, isn't it, that we are so worried about government and the decisions that rule our lives.
44
posted on
07/21/2002 8:34:16 PM PDT
by
WIMom
To: southerngrit
and the whole house reeked of Pledge - no way I left it that clean on my way to the beach!! FOFL ... oh that brings back memories
And I thought I was sooooooooo smart back in those days .. LOL
45
posted on
07/21/2002 8:39:32 PM PDT
by
Mo1
To: WIMom
This wouldn't even have been an issue then. True .. but then again we didn't live in a sue happy society like today
46
posted on
07/21/2002 8:43:41 PM PDT
by
Mo1
To: Mo1
Yeah - I threw a few parties myself, back in the day. Half the fun was covering our tracks, wasn't it?
To: southerngrit
I watch my kids today doing the same things I did at their age and I think ... WAS I THAT DUMB?? ... fofl
48
posted on
07/21/2002 8:55:48 PM PDT
by
Mo1
To: Mo1
I thought I was BRILLIANT. My parents didn't tell me until years later that they were on to me the whole time. Fortunately, I didn't do anything all that bad - if I had, my Marine Dad would have straightened me out ASAP. He let me experience the consequences of my behavior and figure out for myself the stupidity of some of my actions. Oh boy, do I miss him!
To: WIMom
oo! oo! I'm a mean mommie, I want on! My 4 yr old thinks one of our "village idiots" is her best friend in the world. I can't stand this kid, his brother, or his mom (a no discipline type who lets both her kids hit her with only a whiney rebuke..). I have to limit the number of days a week I let my little one play with the VI. I'll be soooo glad when she's in private school with more children I feel good about her playing with.
50
posted on
07/21/2002 9:28:09 PM PDT
by
goodieD
To: WIMom
I've been a Mean Mom right from the start (my boys are now 17 and 14) and would like to be included in your ping list, please. As for your question tonight, you said:
"The rules are, drop your keys in a bucket, and spend the night. They can pitch tents and sleep over.Well, besides the good advice you've already had against the drinking, with which I concur, a red flag went up over the sleeping over part. Boys and girls, hormones raging, sleeping together in the same vicinity? I would expect lots of tent hopping to be going on. I can't imagine placing such temptation right in front of them like that. No way would my kids be allowed to go to a co-ed sleepover.
51
posted on
07/21/2002 10:12:21 PM PDT
by
Lorena
To: WIMom
Mom, with all this input let's list the pros and cons and see if we've got this straight:
Cons:
1. Your husband is against it.
2. Liability
3. Against the law
4. Could be dangerous if other kids crash the party
5. Kids sleep over (kids + hormones + alcohol = ???)
Pros:
1. My kids want to do it and I want them to like me and think I'm cool
2. My kids want to do it and are better debaters than I am
I had a hard time with the Pros. If you can do better, feel free.
However, because you have even entertained this wild idea from your kids, I just have one question: Are you really sure you're a mean mommie?
Please understand, I feel for you, I really do. You can never let your guard down when you have smart kids like yours apparently are.
To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; WIMom
I am with you, Texasgirl, i would be afraid of the liability issues. And a waiver does not excuse you from liability if there is negligence, and serving alcohol to underage kids would be seen as negligence. The accidents on the way home etc. Also, if one of the kids was in an accident and killed someone else, you could be sued by the victim for serving alcohol to the driver.
i can see your dilemma WImom, but as someone who routinely can imagine the worst case scenario in any given situation, this would be too scary!
53
posted on
07/22/2002 2:33:24 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: WIMom
My vote: Hormones are the biggest problem here. Booze, in my book, wouldn't even be an option at that age.
My alternate would be to offer a fun zany party with boys and girls there, but NO booze and NO spending the night. How about you let the girls decide a different and fun party theme? Hayride? HUGE water pull? Raid the watermelon patch?? IMHO, something competative or something creative that wears them out with huge amounts of hysterical laughter.
Since your girls are close to the 'witching' age, a drink (wine or a beer) with family at dinnertime is what I'd suggest.
(BTW my kids are parents now and we never allowed them to break laws/rules. We also chose venues where drinking wasn't an option, but that fun was always approved.)
Hope this post makes sense.... I'm up because I couldn't sleep and am a tad groggy! ;-)
To: WIMom
here I go.. you said you know 80% of their friends.. that means you have only met the good ones :)
I was one of those good kids (digging out my halo), but whenever I had a party (when I was 15-17), like it was mentioned above, the magnet effect happens.. a friend of a friend of a friend (who you don't even know) inevitably shows up. I remember walking into my bathroom during one of my parties and finding a friend of a friend of a friend smoking a joint. (yes my parents were in the house, chaperoning.) Party over.
Obviously at my age, there was no alcohol, but you can see who can work their way into a party..
Now picture a bunch of girls (or is this coed?) out in the middle of the boonies having a camping keg party outdoors. (I assume you will stay in the house).. :: shuddering ::
55
posted on
07/22/2002 3:31:41 AM PDT
by
TxBec
To: Humidston; All
When they first asked me about the party, my first reaction was no, but then I thought, I'd hear them out. Let them lay out their ideas. My reasoning was, if they know I'm listening and give serious consideration to their plans, they will come to me with other things as well. We are finally over the girl teenage monster age. Thank goodness.
Everyone's input is just about exactly what I was thinking, but told the kids I would weigh all the pros and cons. The beer and the tents were the biggest issue for me. When they first asked, I had to really restrain myself from dismissing the idea immediately. The older our kids get, the more complicated the problems come.
This is a great thread. Not only can we discuss issues, but now we have just increased our parent power! Maybe a bon fire party, at Halloween might be fun. We have an old barn, and could have a 'barn dance' with all the trimmings, and a theme where they dress as hillybillies.
56
posted on
07/22/2002 6:15:54 AM PDT
by
WIMom
To: WIMom
I am not a mean mommy, but I am a demanding dad! I have 4 boys, the oldest almost ten and the youngest just under 6 months. It is necessary to be demanding in order to teach them to be fine young men.
I do not allow the phrase "It's not my fault" in my house and I have told them that when asked to do something, the only two correct responses are "Yes sir" or "Yes Father".
I love my boys very much and play with them as much as possible, but I also demand that they understand who is in charge.
If this qualifies me as a mean mommy, please add me to the ping list!
To: WIMom
i agree with you, WImom, that dismissing their ideas out of hand would not be good. much better to discuss the suggestions rationally and give concrete reasons why it is not a good idea.
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posted on
07/22/2002 6:25:14 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: xsmommy; WIMom
WI- good advice, from an attorney........ and since you are talking about 20 year olds who are usually pretty headstrong....... you never know what they might pull........
To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; WIMom
there is temptation to say, geez, they are college kids, likely doing this when they are on their own anyway. But to host it and put your imprimatur of approval on it by that fact, opens you up to a lot. not worth it.
60
posted on
07/22/2002 7:14:40 AM PDT
by
xsmommy
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