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To: Nick Danger
Oh good. Then perhaps you'll answer it. I asked you why you reflexibly oppose a system in which the woman would not always be certain she would win.

I reflexibly oppose a system which would pit men against women even more so than the current one does. I suspect that the men's rights movement could actually destroy the remains of the institution of marriage that the women's movement has not already destroyed.

As much as I might sympathize with the injustices faced by some men in divorce proceedings, I sense that what is motivating the men's movement is retribution, and not a concern about posterity, or about women, in particular.

757 posted on 07/11/2002 5:08:09 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind
Oh, I see. It's in your favor now, so let's not make things worse... is that it?

You "sense" bad motives on the part of the people who are trying to be treated as human beings. Guess what? Those people "sense" that your motives are about deceit, and arrogance, and self centeredness to the point of treating others inhumanely, and waving it off as no big deal. And you'll make up any stupid lame excuse you can think of to keep things as they are for as long as you can. That's what they think.

You can't stop this, you know. The state is taking people's children away. This can only blow up. Keeping what lid you can on it only makes sure that when the correction comes, it will be more severe.

758 posted on 07/11/2002 5:47:29 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: independentmind
I reflexibly oppose a system which would pit men against women even more so than the current one does. I suspect that the men's rights movement could actually destroy the remains of the institution of marriage that the women's movement has not already destroyed.

I think we already have a system that pits men against women, but with a prearranged winner. Men are becoming antagonistic towards marriage precisely due to the knowledge that it can be ended easily and that except in extenuating circumstances, they will be at the losing end. I would think that if things continue on the present path, this "marriage strike" phenomenon will only grow.

And, I'll readily admit that while I haven't been on strike, I've been particularly careful when it involves potential marriage. One has to cover their own butt and if that includes staying single, that's fine with me. I've been that way all my life, despite a bout of temporary insanity when I almost tied the knot.

As much as I might sympathize with the injustices faced by some men in divorce proceedings, I sense that what is motivating the men's movement is retribution, and not a concern about posterity, or about women, in particular.

The primary concern in the men's movement is one of fairness - men have traditionally gotten the short end of the stick, not only financially, but also WRT to issues centered around seeing their kids. These concerns are legit and need to be addressed.

759 posted on 07/12/2002 8:20:37 AM PDT by meyer
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