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To: buccaneer81
Can't Pre-nup's take care of this? Men could hand the women a nice expensive ring on the condition she sign the pre-nup :) Outlining financial and other conditions should a divorce occurr for ANY reason...
6 posted on 07/06/2002 5:22:03 AM PDT by College Repub
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To: College Repub
Pre-nuptial agreements can help, providing they are VERY well drafted so as to be enforceable not only in the state where they were drawn (and you married), but in the jurisdiction you're living at the time of the divorce and (if there are significant assets involved) in each jurisdiciton where you have assets.

The problem is that some courts will reform the agreements or declare them void against public policy depending on the fact situations.

Pre-Nups are an area where only the best will do -- hire a real matrimonial expert as your attorney to draw it, not your regular trusts and estates lawyer or general practitioner who would draw your will. If you move to a new state, consult an expert in the new state as to the enforceablity of your Pre-Nup. And you will need to take special precautions if you are moving to (or living in) California, Texas, Louisiana or the other 'community property' states in which all earnings and assets aquired by a couple during the marraige are considered jointly owned 50/50.

13 posted on 07/06/2002 5:38:16 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: College Repub
Prenuptual agreements cannot cover matters involving children, only financial assets.

The "best interest of the child" at the time (at any time) is always the jurisdiction of the juvenile court.
This will take a change in the law.
25 posted on 07/06/2002 6:14:39 AM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: College Repub
Watch it, bud. I mentioned on a thread a couple of months ago that I'd want a pre-nup before getting married, and man oh man did I get flamed! I wish I had a dollar for every time some sister Freeper told me something to the effect that "marriage is all about trust, and you should be willing to take that risk for love". When I mentioned that I wouldn't trust the women I meet with money for the next pitcher, I heard "well, it must be your fault for attracting the wrong type of woman".

Married Freepers just don't understand how slim the pickings are these days...whether at the local pub or the local church, most young, single women in this nation are Oprahtized, confused, money grubbing dingbats (or worse) that any man with a brain wouldn't have anything to do with! I know because I've dodged the bullet twice now. I'd like to think that "she" is out there, but the more I date and the more women I meet these days, the more pessimistic I get. If you're in college, I imagine you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Okay, flame away, you happily married folks who haven't been in the dating game for years.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

29 posted on 07/06/2002 6:24:42 AM PDT by wku man
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To: College Repub
Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?

If the court system doesn't care about the Constitution, what makes you think they will be interested in a pre-nup?

74 posted on 07/06/2002 7:48:31 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: College Repub
Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?

You'd think so. But family courts can declare null and void any pre-nup with impunity. Bottom line: if mamma wants it, mamma gets it.

Hope the soccer moms are happy. Now they can dream of being "taken" by Bill Clinton.

77 posted on 07/06/2002 7:49:47 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: College Repub
"Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?"

Pre-nups usually take care of assets acquired BEFORE marriage, as I understand it. And, then there is the emotional cost when these "liberated women" decide to leave for greener pastures.

100 posted on 07/06/2002 8:05:21 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: College Repub
Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?

Pre-nups can address some of this, if they're properly drafted and the court upholds them. However, it is very common for the court to decide that the pre-nup shouldn't be enforced for any number of reasons--for example, the man and the woman should each have their own lawyer rather than having one lawyer write the agreement for both of them.

Plus state laws vary, so what's valid in one state might not be in another. And some states limit the length of time that a pre-nup can be enforced. I believe, for example, that California law kills all pre-nups after seven years of marriage. Supposedly, that was one of the reasons Tom Cruise divorced Nicole Kidman--their seventh anniversary was approaching and he didn't want her to escape the limits of their pre-nup.

267 posted on 07/06/2002 10:49:33 AM PDT by the bottle let me down
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To: College Repub
"Can't Pre-nup's take care of this?"

They're intended to, but it doesn't always work out that way. They are difficult to write well and must be revised when circumstances change within the marriage. When legally challenged, they can be quite expensive to defend, especially when agenda-driven judges make arbitrary rulings that must then be appealed -- or even when judges make proper judgments which are appealed anyway. Such battles can go on endlessly and at great expense. Therefore, many attorneys advise their clients to back off and relinquish a lot of what is rightfully theirs, even though the law and the facts are on their side.

Bottom line: A pre-nup will only keep honest people honest. If you want protection, marry someone who's not nearly as smart or Machiavellian as you, then get the goods on your prospective spouse and save them up for a legal "rainy day." That means investing in private investigators, steadily amassing your evidence, keeping track of the whereabouts and status of potential future witnesses, and always regarding your life partner as a potential legal adversary who may eventually have to be proven an unfit parent, faithless harridan, etc. Then, of course, the offspring of your union must be relentlessly conditioned to favor you in any testimony they may be called upon to make. This is a lot of work, carried out in secrecy and guaranteed to poison the relationship no matter what happens.

Under such cloak-and-dagger conditions, what would be the point of marrying at all?

352 posted on 07/06/2002 1:29:33 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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