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Ice Age Find Sheds Light on Enigmatic Neanderthals
Reuters ^ | June 25, 2002 | Georgina Prodhan

Posted on 06/25/2002 6:24:25 PM PDT by gcruse

Ice Age Find Sheds Light on Enigmatic Neanderthals

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June 25, 2002 02:26 PM ET

By Georgina Prodhan

THETFORD, England (Reuters) - British archaeologists revealed an Ice Age site on Tuesday they hope could provide some of the strongest evidence yet that Neanderthal people hunted mammoths.

The 50,000-year-old remains in a gravel pit in eastern England may provide the scientific evidence needed to back up the age-old popular depiction of Neanderthals hunting mammoths and other large animals for food.

Although the Neanderthals' carnivorous diet is not in dispute, scientists have hotly debated whether the squat, muscular race actually hunted large animals and even mammoths rather than scavenging dead ones for meat.

"You always see these pictures of them hunting mammoths, but there is no real evidence. This is as good as it gets," said David Miles of English Heritage, the body that supervises the country's archaeological excavations.

Finds displayed at the dig near Thetford in East Anglia included remains of mammoths, woolly rhinoceros and reindeer found in close proximity to several hand axes, thought to be for butchering animals.

"It's the kind of thing that turns up just once in a lifetime," he said, pointing out a hand axe embedded in the ground next to a mammoth bone.

The site, centering on a group of ponds, is thought to have been a watering hole where Neanderthals -- predecessors of modern humans -- may have herded in or waited for their prey.

"This is the best evidence we've ever had for a Neanderthal kill site: certainly in Britain, but it is also one of the best in Europe," said Miles, English Heritage's chief archaeologist.



BIG QUESTION

But Miles said the big question which needed to be answered was what were the Neanderthals doing at the site.

"With a spear and half a dozen Neanderthals you could actually kill a mammoth," Miles said, staring at a two-meter (six-feet) long mammoth tusk poking out of the earth.

Corroboration must wait until flint axes and animal bones are forensically tested -- a process that will take months.

"We may be in for more sensational revelations yet," said Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum, one of a group of experts visiting the site.

The first clue that the working quarry might be hiding Ice Age secrets came when a quarryman found a black shiny flint followed by a bone and then a tooth.

Bill Boismier, called in to lead the excavation team, was staggered when he realized its significance.

"I have had to pick myself up off the floor," he said.

It is expected the site will provide a wealth of new information about the enigmatic race that died out some 30,000 years ago in mysterious circumstances.

Their demise coincided with the colonization of Europe by more sophisticated homo sapiens, probably spreading from Africa. But it is not known whether they were wiped out by the rival race or simply lost the battle for territory and resources.

What is known is that Neanderthals were capable of surviving in the harshest situations. The Thetford site would have been at the very edge of the habitable world at the time they lived there 40-60,000 years ago.

Summer temperatures peaked at about 13 degrees Celsius (55 Fahrenheit), with winters far colder than today. Further north was only ice.

This may explain why they left behind few traces of artistic activity or religious beliefs, although they did bury the dead and may have had a form of speech.

Until recently it was thought modern humans were descended from Neanderthals, but recent advances in DNA science show it is more likely both developed separately from a common ancestor.



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1 posted on 06/25/2002 6:24:25 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse

The Neanderthals live on!

2 posted on 06/25/2002 6:31:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: gcruse
An axe next to mammoth remains indicates only that an axe was used next to a dead mammoth. Nobody can seriously argue that a Neanderthal hunted and killed mammoths with axes.
3 posted on 06/25/2002 6:32:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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4 posted on 06/25/2002 6:34:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: gcruse
Finds displayed at the dig near Thetford in East Anglia included remains of mammoths, woolly rhinoceros and reindeer found in close proximity to several hand axes, thought to be for butchering animals.

They even had rhinoceros in England? "Lions and tigers and bears, oh no!"

5 posted on 06/25/2002 6:35:31 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Dog Gone
Pretty hard to imagine alright.
6 posted on 06/25/2002 6:36:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Neanderthal
Would you or Mrs. Neanderthal care to weigh in on this?
7 posted on 06/25/2002 6:38:55 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: gcruse
For all answers to the Neanderthal question, nobody needs look further than the junior senator form New York.
8 posted on 06/25/2002 6:43:28 PM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: gcruse
Neanderthal hunted in groups. But they wrestled their prey to the ground and strangled them. For the mammoth, one of them would have got on the beasts back and distracted him by thumping on his head with the stone ax while the rest tripped it. Mammoth tipping. Great sport.
9 posted on 06/25/2002 6:48:31 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: LibKill
I would like to weigh in.

All of this is not science - it supposition. Somebody prove that we are not, at least partially, neanderthals.

I have three redheaded kids - last year, these same goofballs announced that that is not a human gene, but a neanderthal one.

My case rests.

10 posted on 06/25/2002 6:50:32 PM PDT by patton
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To: gcruse
Very interesting. Love the subject of anthropology. Site must have been used for butchering for some time for enough implements to have accumulated to be found.
11 posted on 06/25/2002 6:53:17 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: Dog Gone
They also had spears. And threw large stones. Undoubtedly, if they hunted large animals like mammaths, they hunted cooperatively in groups. Handleless axe was likely used for butchering after a kill.
12 posted on 06/25/2002 6:56:26 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: RightWhale
Must have been some spectacle.
13 posted on 06/25/2002 6:57:30 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: patton
Point one: Neanderthals were human. They just were not homo sapiens; Point 2: Gene for red hair is not a human gene? Nonsense.
14 posted on 06/25/2002 6:59:54 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: luvbach1
Handleless axe was likely used for butchering after a kill.

It was likely used for butchering, but that still doesn't mean it was after a kill. The mammoth might have had a heart attack for all I know.

I guess I am one of those who always assumed that the Neanderthals hunted big game, but this discovery doesn't seem to be proof to me. It proves that Neanderthals liked to chop up dead mammoths.

15 posted on 06/25/2002 7:01:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: luvbach1
Should have read your post more closely. I doubt that the gene for red hair is neanderthal. How could anyone possibly know that? And as I pointed out, neanderthals were not modern humans (cro magnon) but they definitely were human.
16 posted on 06/25/2002 7:02:36 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: blam
fyi
17 posted on 06/25/2002 7:05:16 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: RightWhale
The Neanderthals Live!!

James Carville - A Farce to be Reckoned With"

18 posted on 06/25/2002 7:07:09 PM PDT by keithtoo
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, it doen't prove Neanderthals killed a mammoth. However, it would not surprise me that they were capable of doing it. They were strong and, of course, would have attacked in numbers. They also might have waited until one fell through the ice of a pond and succumbed that way (which is documented to have happened and and probably was not unusual), at which point the carcass could have been claimed.
19 posted on 06/25/2002 7:09:04 PM PDT by luvbach1
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To: Dog Gone
Nobody can seriously argue that a Neanderthal hunted and killed mammoths with axes.

I think the point to be taken here is that Neanderthal's were intelligent enough to make and use tools, thereby refuting the idea that they were scavengers.

---max

20 posted on 06/25/2002 7:10:38 PM PDT by max61
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