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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
there were so many times the boys' mom almost found that sea monster they were hiding in the clubhouse!

yup, they sure were lucky they didn't get caught!

48,161 posted on 12/16/2002 6:39:24 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
Hi Rosie, nice to see you again, good luck on Thursday.

I think it could be a good idea to wear some of those toe warmers waiting on line.
48,162 posted on 12/16/2002 6:49:20 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Toe warmers?? Whatsat?

Just (a few minutes ago) located another actual job opening. In town, right salary range, and matches my skills. Downside? It's evenings. I guess I better go apply tomorrow just the same. Wish I knew where it was, though! It's an ad posted through the state employment office, and they don't give contact info for the actual company or even mention the company's name.

48,163 posted on 12/16/2002 6:53:54 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
"Toe warmers?? Whatsat?"

They are little flat packages, something like teabags, that you put in your shoes, under your socks. Then, when you wiggle your toes, they produce heat for a couple hours. You have to wiggle every so often, though, to keep them going. But they are great, my toes getting cold has always been a problem for me, even with 2 pairs of winter socks and thinsulate boots. The toe warmers make them OK.

In Miami, I get them in the ski shop. But I think places that sell hunting or camping gear may also have them.

I would make sure that the new opening is a legitimate and reputable company, if it is, then I think you should check it out and maybe apply, in case the other one doesn't work out.

48,164 posted on 12/16/2002 7:03:27 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
I would make sure that the new opening is a legitimate and reputable company, if it is, then I think you should check it out and maybe apply, in case the other one doesn't work out.

Define legitimate and reputable!

Seriously, I think the Employment and Training office checks job listings before accepting them, so they're probably all right. It's just frustrating that they're working behind a screen, so to speak - to apply, I have to give a resume and cover letter to the employment office folks, who will then pass it to the actual company. I'm going to go to the office tomorrow to see if they can give me more info than just a job description, but I don't know if they're allowed to do so.

48,165 posted on 12/16/2002 7:09:04 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: All
OK folks. Got everything cleaned but still cannot access Windows Update. I've got XP (grrrr) and it's asking for an "administrator". Guess what? I am the administrator. I've tried everything and still nothing.

So, I give up for tonight. I'm going to go watch CSI:Miami and then to sleep.

See you all in the morning!

48,166 posted on 12/16/2002 7:09:24 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree; RosieCotton; Sam Cree; All
Ruthy, make sure your account has "Administrator" privileges. If you're using the Administrator account already, then I'm clueless!

Rosie, hope the new job possibility turns out to be something worthwhile... even if it starts in the evenings there may be the chance of moving to a different shift after you've been there a little while.

I'm tired, so I think I'm going to do the sensible thing and go to bed (even though it is early for me!)

Good night all!
48,167 posted on 12/16/2002 7:17:43 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
Thanks for posting the Tulsa Line Party info. I plan on attending it if my schedule will allow it tomorrow. Which radio station will be there? If I had to guess, it would be 106.9.
48,168 posted on 12/16/2002 7:22:59 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
By the way, very classy sneak! Well done!

Why thank you!

48,169 posted on 12/16/2002 7:23:27 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey there... ready for TTT? I'm practicing drinking beer and not getting sleepy. One of these days I'll get it right...

Read an awesome review of TTT today. Guy was impressed with FOTR, but admitted to not being a big Tolkien fan, but still said that TTT was orders of magnitude better than FOTR. I'm taking that as a good sign. :-)

48,170 posted on 12/16/2002 7:37:18 PM PST by Ramius
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To: RosieCotton
I don't know... in a legal business, and not trying to take advantage of the new employee? But apparently the not saying who they are is SOP and not to worry, I guess?

Best luck, though, Rosie.
48,171 posted on 12/16/2002 7:37:53 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: RMDupree
Go into the users admin module. Make your current profile name a member of the "Admins" group. That should do it.
48,172 posted on 12/16/2002 7:39:39 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Ramius; HairOfTheDog
Hi Ramius, thanks again much for the instructions and help, I've just about got them done.

I might have a problem drinking beer before the movie, I think.
48,173 posted on 12/16/2002 7:40:46 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Ramius
I am ready! - Been killing people over in Unreal Tournament to reduce tension!

Almost all the reviews have been good! - I am very excited! - Don't be late tomorrow!
48,174 posted on 12/16/2002 7:41:02 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree
Good night everyone...will not be around much tomorrow, but will try to check in when I can.
48,175 posted on 12/16/2002 7:42:01 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: All

F.Y.I.

TORN has put up a notice:

Elijah Wood (Frodo) fans will want to stay up late tonight at he will be making a late night appearance on 'The Tonight Show with Jay Leno' on NBC at 11:30. Check your local listings!

48,176 posted on 12/16/2002 7:43:32 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: Sam Cree
Where do you have to be? - Is it because you don't want to help us move?
48,177 posted on 12/16/2002 7:43:36 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JameRetief
Thanks for the tip! - I am practicing staying up late anyway!
48,178 posted on 12/16/2002 7:44:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Late? Nine-ish should be no problem...

Bring your DVD, and I'll bring my laptop. We can watch FOTR while we wait in line. Batteries will be charged and ready... :-)
48,179 posted on 12/16/2002 7:44:35 PM PST by Ramius
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To: All

Frodian Slip?

TORN also linked to this report:

 
© 2001 Sue Schneider  
Elijah Wood at THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING L.A. premiere event.  
CINESCAPE Scoop
Longer wait for RETURN OF THE KING?
Wood lets slip interesting tidbit

Dateline: Monday, December 16, 2002


By: MIKE WHYBARK
By: News Editor
Source: CINESCAPE reporting


While recently discussing this week's highly anticipated opening of THE TWO TOWERS, Elijah Wood made a comment that can rightly be considered interesting. The comments were in response to a journalist's remark about the difficulty in waiting another year for the final film of the trilogy.

Wood said, sympathetically, "I know, and it might be longer too."

The film or the wait, Elijah?

The young actor backtracked, responding disingenuously, "What? I didn't say anything."

48,180 posted on 12/16/2002 7:45:34 PM PST by JameRetief
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