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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
That's good. And perfect!
47,921 posted on 12/16/2002 12:14:17 PM PST by carton253
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To: SuziQ
I am finished. Now, I have to wait for grades. I don't know... It looks good. I'll know in a week.
47,922 posted on 12/16/2002 12:14:54 PM PST by carton253
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To: SuziQ
I'm always impressed by anyone who can sing, especially as I just don't understand how it is done.
47,923 posted on 12/16/2002 12:16:06 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: carton253
Everytime I hear an official announcement from some Arab/Muslim (so-called) leader, it sounds like it comes from a Monty Python skit.
47,924 posted on 12/16/2002 12:16:22 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
I wrote a scholarship essay on Fighting Terrorism. It was a 500 word essay on "What Book Would You Recommend to Our Leaders and Why?" I recommended this book.

I'll know in March if I won.

47,925 posted on 12/16/2002 12:18:17 PM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
This new book The Arab Mind is phenomenal. I've just started it, but so far, it is very eye opening.
47,926 posted on 12/16/2002 12:19:08 PM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
It's just a flesh wound...
47,927 posted on 12/16/2002 12:23:36 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
Hope all went well for you. Our #2 son had one final on Friday on which he did very well. He has two more tomorrow, then he flies home late Wed. night. Can't wait to see him. He didn't come home for Thanksgiving, so we haven't seen him since the end of August! .

I don't think #1 son has any finals; I think he only had some papers and projects to do. He is in his fifth and final year at UMass Amherst (he changed majors early in his 4th yr), so his is mostly senior work. He'll be home late Wed. as well. We're all going to see TTT on Thursday, then go out to eat!

47,928 posted on 12/16/2002 12:24:28 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
...we'll call it a draw.
47,929 posted on 12/16/2002 12:26:58 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
"The choir director keeps trying to get me to do the Cantoring duties at Mass,"

That says alot, SuziQ - you must be good.

Mom sang fairly well and sounded good in church. Dad, OTOH, could not carry a tune. He always wanted to get to church early, to make sure we got seats in the back. Then he would sing the hymns very loudly, in the deep voice that he had, enjoying greatly how off key he was.

The kind of church we had, I remember once as a kid overhearing one of the guys in the choir saying, at the end, "Well, that's enough of that, now it's time to go home and get some whiskey!" Fond memories. Several of our preachers went crazy. Mom thought it was from the congregation.

47,930 posted on 12/16/2002 12:29:57 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: carton253
I wouldn't mind if you freepmail it to me, the essay, Carton.
47,931 posted on 12/16/2002 12:30:48 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: SuziQ
I got an A in English Comp I. Since the Terrorist Final Exam was a take-home, I think I got an A on that. I don't know how I did in my threat assessment. That's the key to that class. American Government I - I was really sweating this. But, when I got the exam and saw all the essay questions (only essay questions) I said "I know this." So, I think I did good on that. I got an A on my last speech, but I had to answer one of these self-evaluation essay questionnaire things. By time I was done, it was 12 pages long. The Prof in that class is wacky... so I don't know. I can get a D on the questionnaire and still get an A in the class, So... I have good thoughts there.
47,932 posted on 12/16/2002 12:31:07 PM PST by carton253
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To: Sam Cree
You've got freepmail.
47,933 posted on 12/16/2002 12:39:38 PM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Thank you.
47,934 posted on 12/16/2002 12:41:45 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: carton253
Good point about the teeth.

How'd you get them so sharp?

Biting on nassssssty Hobbitses' bones, maybe? ;)

47,935 posted on 12/16/2002 12:56:38 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: Overtaxed

47,936 posted on 12/16/2002 12:58:39 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
"I've had worse!"
47,937 posted on 12/16/2002 12:59:48 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
eeewwwwww.....

:)

47,938 posted on 12/16/2002 1:03:17 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Orcs...
47,939 posted on 12/16/2002 1:03:30 PM PST by carton253
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To: carton253; Corin Stormhands
We have 30 minutes to reach 48,000 before I have to leave....
47,940 posted on 12/16/2002 1:22:09 PM PST by ksen
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