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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: HairOfTheDog
No problem with yellow boots but wasn't his jacket blue? I just picture him in loud primary colors when you'd think he'd buy earth tones. Maybe Goldberry did his shopping?
47,261 posted on 12/12/2002 1:35:57 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
Heh... Earth tones would also have been good. This is not to bad though!


47,262 posted on 12/12/2002 1:40:41 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: NewCenturions

47,263 posted on 12/12/2002 1:49:08 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: NewCenturions
He was based off a doll one of his kids had. Blame the doll manufacturers. :)
47,264 posted on 12/12/2002 1:49:26 PM PST by John Farson
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
Sigh, just checked my home email (it's a pain with Comcast) and found out I have to be on stage tonight at 6:15. They're reworking the finale.

In one sense it's good, 'cause the rest of the show is working. They just want to make this more better...

See y'all tomorrow.

47,265 posted on 12/12/2002 1:50:49 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Good night Corin! - Break a leg more better!
47,266 posted on 12/12/2002 1:52:03 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: John Farson
Thansk for the link, John. I'll read it later.
47,267 posted on 12/12/2002 1:55:09 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: All
I've got to run too. Be back later if I can!
47,268 posted on 12/12/2002 1:56:12 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: John Farson; NewCenturions; RMDupree
I'm going to read the article when I get a minute.

But on pg, 26, of the "Letters," Tolkien himself directly describes Tom Bombadil as "the spirit of the vanishing countryside of Oxfordshire and Berkshire." Which would seem to be the ultimate authority.

You have an amazing lot of references.

47,269 posted on 12/12/2002 2:02:57 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Remind me to put "Letters" on my amazon.com wish list!
47,270 posted on 12/12/2002 2:04:37 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
Yes, you should get it, it's surprisingly pleasant and interesting reading.
47,271 posted on 12/12/2002 2:28:15 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Corin: I think you have a lot in common with my own dad. You care about your kid and you know that's a lot all on its own. I understand your wife may be unable to homeschool Jr but perhaps you could.

It sounds like academics is your main concern, and maybe you can help him. Perhaps if you cut back on his free time and focus on academics with him on evenings, and on weekends, it would help - not just help him get through his school but help him respect you more. I don't want to make this sound like I think your parenting is bad, but for the most part, if a kid is goofing off it's because he doesn't respect his parents. You deserve his respect, and he needs to understand that.

If there's anything I can help with - I don't really know that much about homeschooling from the parent end but I do understand the student part of it pretty well - let me know. And I'll be praying for your family.

Oh - and as a last suggestion, hold off on all of this until after the holidays. Let your schedule calm down before you even make any decisions, and don't send Jr off to military school until after Christmas ;-)
47,272 posted on 12/12/2002 2:35:04 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
By the way, if anyone is around I'm about to start my DB class final. Pray! And also, pray for me tomorrow morning, ten Eastern, for my programming final, please....
47,273 posted on 12/12/2002 2:41:28 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
As long as you don't mind Roman Catholic prayers! :>)
47,274 posted on 12/12/2002 2:43:14 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
I'm sure God doesn't care, so why should I?
47,275 posted on 12/12/2002 2:46:23 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Nice of them to schedule finals in plenty of time for the movie premiere!
47,276 posted on 12/12/2002 2:52:04 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
Yes, very considerate!

Of course, New Line might be smart enough to think of something like that on its own...

47,277 posted on 12/12/2002 2:53:53 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
You've already got a Doctorate in Tolkien so programming will be a breeze.
47,278 posted on 12/12/2002 3:01:05 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: Overtaxed
close your eyes and think of elves!
47,279 posted on 12/12/2002 3:08:24 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions

47,280 posted on 12/12/2002 3:13:31 PM PST by Overtaxed
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