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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
Arwen isn't snippy!
29,941 posted on 10/03/2002 11:55:19 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree; JenB
Jen would know, if anyone, why Gimli got to go the the Havens... Maybe they just didn't notice him because he was so short, and he slipped in.

Arwen couldn't go because she had to make a choice when she married a mortal. Maybe it is akin to leaving the faith... and she didn't so much become a mortal as she was just not allowed to go over the sea.
29,942 posted on 10/03/2002 11:58:36 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh I think he is a cutie pie with his peach fuzz...

I'm still in the process of getting used to him being old enough to GROW peach fuzz...my younger siblings have been a fan of his since "Huckleberry Finn" and "Avalon", so I've seen him far more times as a little kid than as a...well...can I call him a man yet?

29,943 posted on 10/03/2002 12:00:27 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
It is ambiguous as to whether Gimli decided to go or not. Legolas got him an invite, I think, but they left it hanging as to whether he actually went or not.... I was reading this recently in one of the appendices. I'll have to check tonight...
29,944 posted on 10/03/2002 12:03:43 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
Yes, he is a man now... Legally!

I imagine you saw "The Good Son" also... Jeepers he was a cute kid! And McCauley Culkin (sp?) was also particularly good as a creepy kid in that one.

Did you see the episode of "Law and Order" were Elijah Wood played a wicked kid at a military-type school? I only saw it once, but it impacted my vision of him, and my dreams.
29,945 posted on 10/03/2002 12:03:59 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RMDupree
Arwen isn't snippy!

;^)

29,946 posted on 10/03/2002 12:04:37 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
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29,947 posted on 10/03/2002 12:05:08 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: HairOfTheDog
EW was probably about 4 when you were a senior in high school.
29,948 posted on 10/03/2002 12:06:25 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
I imagine you saw "The Good Son" also...

Nope, that's one I HAVEN'T seen, actually. What was that one rated? I seem to remember that being the reason we didn't rent it...not that *I* couldn't rent and watch it, but it wasn't appropriate for the younger kids.

What's it about?

29,949 posted on 10/03/2002 12:06:35 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
Avalon is one of my family's favorite movies, so mostly I've just seen that...over and over and over and over!

They were so thrilled when they heard he was going to play Frodo!

29,950 posted on 10/03/2002 12:07:35 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog
EW was probably about 4 when you were a senior in high school.

Now, now...let's not start with Edgar Winters again. I don't want to talk about him!

Just kidding, Hair! How old IS Edgar Winters anyway? I don't really know who he is!

29,951 posted on 10/03/2002 12:09:25 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Well there is this:

Here follows one of the last notes in the Red Book

We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Glóin's son with him because of their great friendship, greater than any that has been between Elf and Dwarf. If this is true, then it is strange indeed: that a Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth for any love, or that the Eldar should receive him, or that the Lords of the West should permit it. But it is said that Gimli went also out of desire to see again the beauty of Galadriel; and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter.

Above that it says this:

Gimli Glóin's son is renowned, for he was one of the Nine Walkers that set out with the Ring; and he remained in the company of King Elessar throughout the War. He was named Elf-friend because of the great love that grew between him and Legolas, son of King Thranduil, and because of his reverence for the Lady Galadriel.

After the fall of Sauron, Gimli brought south a part of the Dwarf-folk of Erebor, and he became Lord of the Glittering Caves. He and his people did great works in Gondor and Rohan. For Minas Tirith they forged gates of mithril and steel to replace those broken by the Witch-king. Legolas his friend also brought south Elves out of Greenwood, and they dwelt in Ithilien, and it became once again the fairest country in all the westlands.

But when King Elessar gave up his life Legolas followed at last the desire of his heart and sailed over Sea.


29,952 posted on 10/03/2002 12:11:52 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
and she didn't so much become a mortal as she was just not allowed to go over the sea.

I think she just missed the boat. :) They had all left by the time Aragorn passed away.

29,953 posted on 10/03/2002 12:12:29 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter.

This is the passage I was thinking of....

29,954 posted on 10/03/2002 12:12:56 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: ksen
EW was probably about 4 when you were a senior in high school.

He is "of age" now! - And your point is? ;~D

29,955 posted on 10/03/2002 12:13:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
it may be....

To me that is ambiguous.... did she grant it to him or not..... More cannot be said of this matter...... Hmmmmmm

29,956 posted on 10/03/2002 12:14:45 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: RosieCotton
"Avalon",

I remember him in that! He played a sort of 'tortured' role in that movie as well because he thought he had caused the fire that destroyed his grandfather's business! He was also pretty good in "Ice Storm" though I didn't like the movie very well. He met an untimely, 'shocking' end!

Did he play in the movie "Radio Flyer"? I thought he played, again, a sort of tortured kid role. Maybe that's why he believed he'd be so good for the part of Frodo; he'd had lots of practice looking, well, TORTURED!

29,957 posted on 10/03/2002 12:15:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
What I still don't understand is...how did Celeborn get away with sticking around after Galadriel left?
29,958 posted on 10/03/2002 12:16:08 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I wouldn't think it is rated R.... I don't remember there being any language or sex in it at all... but it is dark.

I don't want to give too much away, but EW is "The Good Son" he is, I think, a cousin, brought to live with MC's family, and MC is really a bad kid, but the parents don't see it.

It is a pretty good movie!
29,959 posted on 10/03/2002 12:16:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I think she just missed the boat.


29,960 posted on 10/03/2002 12:16:50 PM PDT by ksen
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