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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
typical snatch and run by the homely dwarf...


29,701 posted on 10/03/2002 5:10:51 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands; g'nad; ksen; Overtaxed; SuziQ
Good Morning, ye Easterners!

(And temporary easterners...)

29,702 posted on 10/03/2002 5:19:45 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Bear_in_RoseBear; ...
and yes.......Elves....

dude...yer killin' me...

G'mornin' all...should be alot slower today...hopefully my three-star general won't be too upset with my report...it contained info he's not gonna like but he needed to hear...I'm not known for my tact or sugar-coating the facts...but if y'all see a mushroom cloud over Quantico way, it may just be me getting reamed...

29,703 posted on 10/03/2002 5:19:57 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Good morning G'nad... I am sleepwalking. It is only 5:21 and I have no reason to be up this early.

I hope you don't get reamed too bad...
29,704 posted on 10/03/2002 5:22:17 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
Wow! What a hoot!

I think my favorites are "Full Mithril Jacket", "O Hobbit, Where Art Thou", "Rangers With Dirty Faces", and "Second Breakfast at Tiffany's", but there are lots of good ones in there!

I don't think any of them make good THREAD titles, though...

29,705 posted on 10/03/2002 5:24:09 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
HAIR?!? just what, little lady, are you doin up at this hour?... only jarheads should be up that early...is everything O.K.??

I'm havin' trouble getting a good nites rest too...all the travel, my body's aches and pains, and deer season starting on Saturday...

29,706 posted on 10/03/2002 5:25:34 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Well, I got a good night's sleep! - I went to bed really early! I am rested!

Up until a year ago, it was normal for me to be "early to bed, early to rise"! Well... I am up now... so I am gonna run with it!
29,707 posted on 10/03/2002 5:30:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
deer season starting on Saturday...

Bow season starts up this way...which means we'll have almost no men here at work next week. Same goes for every other type o' deer hunting season.

Legolas would have made an EXCELLENT deer hunter. Almost wouldn't be sporting to have him along...

29,708 posted on 10/03/2002 5:34:33 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ecurbh; RosieCotton
ecurbh, you are priceless!!

might I add:

The Mordorian Candidate
The Usual Hobbits
The Last of the Dunedains
Elves Got Back

29,709 posted on 10/03/2002 5:34:47 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Dwaves can't jump!
Have Elf, will travel!
29,710 posted on 10/03/2002 5:36:24 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
See ya tonight - Funkle Stormhands...

I imagine you are standing in a field about now!
29,711 posted on 10/03/2002 5:37:44 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I didn't go back to the dentist until I was 13.

Good morning, Corin! We had a wonderful dentist when I was growing up, but he died when I was about 13. I didn't go to another dentist until I was in college, then it was major work needed! I had to have a root canal and crown and LOTS of fillings!

Before we went to the dentist, I entertained the kids with the story of how dead my face was after the novocaine needed for that major dental work. After we got home from the dentist yesterday, our son was fine, didn't even have any pain, and felt like a doofus for being so silly! He was ready for the novocaine to start wearing off though, which it did about 2 hours later.

29,712 posted on 10/03/2002 5:43:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
I still rather like The New Hobbit Chronicles!

I like that, too, Hair. Kind of classy sounding!

29,713 posted on 10/03/2002 5:43:59 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm really bad at this sort of thing...

Gone with the Wargs
The Third Hobbit
and, a movie for our thread - I Am Spam

29,714 posted on 10/03/2002 5:45:58 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: g'nad
I'm not known for my tact or sugar-coating the facts..

DOH! Like we didn't know THAT already!!
G'mornin g'nad!!

29,715 posted on 10/03/2002 5:46:19 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
Funkle Stormhands...

Did you know that fits nicely up in the Key Words? ;^)

29,716 posted on 10/03/2002 5:46:25 AM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
We should probably go with "The New Hobbit Chronicles".

But if we wanted to be up-to-date we could have "The Two Hobbits" starting this December and then "Return of the Hobbit" in December 2004. ;^)
29,717 posted on 10/03/2002 5:49:07 AM PDT by ksen
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To: g'nad
I'm not known for my tact or sugar-coating the facts...

*gasp!*

29,718 posted on 10/03/2002 5:51:29 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog; SuziQ
I like "The New Hobbit Chronicles".

Though sometimes I wonder if we should name it after that "other thread" and call it something like "The Never-Ending Hobbit Tale"...

We're still beating 'em with regards to post numbers, right?

29,719 posted on 10/03/2002 5:52:42 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: ksen
Oh now that is funny!
29,720 posted on 10/03/2002 5:53:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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