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Anybody else disgusted at the slaughter of emulsions by Kodak?
Me | 3/11/02 | Me

Posted on 03/11/2002 12:24:59 PM PST by Don Joe

It's sickening! No more Ektar (25 & 100 missed the most), no more Royal Gold (25 & 100 as per Ektar), no more Pro100, no more Kodachrome 25, no more 120 Kodachrome, no more Verichrome Pan, no more Plus-X or Tri-X (although they will be delivering replacements -- different films -- with the same names for those two classics), and there was going to be no more Kodachrome 200, but they backed down -- they'll sell it at something like $23 a roll -- while there's still demand for it. (Gee, how long will that be at that price?)


TOPICS: Arts/Photography
KEYWORDS: ektar; kodachrome; plusx; pro100; royalgold; trix; verichrome
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To: Timesink
Ooooohhh!!!

SUH-WEET!!!

Nice pic!!!

No abuse here.

22 posted on 03/11/2002 2:53:09 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Lazamataz
Laz! Where did you go if you left Roch. I worked there for almost 10 years until 1998- maybe we worked at the same places - I was a software engineer contractor, and each time a job finished I would call my pimp and get placed somewhere new..
23 posted on 03/11/2002 2:56:58 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: Don Joe
Digital photography is still much inferior to film photography, no question. Just like film photography was much inferior to oil paint portraits and landscapes in its infancy. Once film photography became as good or better, painting didn't go away, but veered off into a creative realm of the imagination that couldn't be replicated by film photography, while realistic oil paint portraits became a very specialized nich market. Expect this same pattern to repeat itself.
24 posted on 03/11/2002 3:22:28 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Lazamataz
Thusly, I left Rochester.

Cmon Laz - it aint that bad - we still have Zwiegles

My neighbor mixes emusion - wonder how soon he'll be moving

25 posted on 03/11/2002 3:26:13 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Lazamataz
Thusly, I left Rochester.

Cmon Laz - it aint that bad - we still have Zwiegles

My neighbor mixes emusion - wonder how soon he'll be moving

26 posted on 03/11/2002 3:26:14 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
double post - damned c.t. - sorry
27 posted on 03/11/2002 3:31:37 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Lazamataz; dbwz;basil;hotline;technochick99
Thusly, I left Rochester.

That's not the reason you left Rochester...and WE know her name!! bwaaahaaaahaaaaa

28 posted on 03/11/2002 3:34:29 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: Don Joe
Canon EOS D30. Haven't shot film in over a year.

Photo-sho-o-o-p, you give us those nice bright colors...

29 posted on 03/11/2002 3:35:46 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Don Joe
Never thought I would be debating film at FR. I have a Pentax K1000. Fuji is ALL I will ever use! Fuji 100 especially for pics of my kids in Texas wildflowers. :)
30 posted on 03/11/2002 4:27:43 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Texas, huh? I love the sunsets here...

Whyntcha post some of your pics?

31 posted on 03/11/2002 4:48:14 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
I'm saving up for the Nikon D100. 6.1 megapixels of digital pleasure. Then I can say goodby to my N8008 and film forever.
32 posted on 03/11/2002 5:14:26 PM PST by Keeper of the Turf
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To: Don Joe
I'm more concerned about being able to buy Polaroid film for the medium and large format cameras. How are you supposed to do a test shot? I sure as heck am not going to spend $30,000 for a digital Hasselblad back.
33 posted on 03/11/2002 5:47:47 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: SpookBrat
I boycott Fuji. First, you always have to correct for the green. Too much green come out on their film, I think it's a cultural thing. Second, they gave away free maps with purchase, and deliberately omitted Israel from the map to appease their Arab clients. Hence, no fuji in this house, not even free fuji.
34 posted on 03/11/2002 5:52:23 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
For real? Are you serious? I'm very gullible so always tell me the truth. LOL I never noticed that.
35 posted on 03/11/2002 6:48:10 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: Richard Kimball
Your picture is gorgeous. I'm going to be leaving soon and I am truly going to miss Texas sunsets. Our house faces east, (we live in the country) so the sunrises are beautiful too. Sigh.....

I have a ton of the most beautiful pictures you ever saw. I don't know how to get them in here though. When I figure it out, I'll ping you.

36 posted on 03/11/2002 6:51:12 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: Don Joe
Betrayed by The Great Yellow Father.

Thanks for posting this. I'm horrified. Sickened. My grandfather is rolling in his grave even as I type. I have K25 slides of his taken before I was born (I'm 44) and the color is still perfect.

K25 was the original color film, correct? Dating back to 1939? I remember that it has (had) four actual emulsions, one black & white, plus one for each of the primary colors of light. Back in my college days I worked for a short time in a K14 lab running the processor, 8mm on one side, 35mm on the other. It was something. Forgot exactly how many tanks the machine had, but with four separate developers plus rinses, fix, and bleach baths for each, it was easily in the twenties. Huge machine. Must have taken a while to pay for itself.

Good luck finding any. And what of National Geographic? They were strictly K25. Have they gone digital (sold out) as well?

There will never be another Tri-X, but does Ilford still make a good B & W?

So it begs the question: Why? Why the big changes? Were all these films environmentally incorrect, or were they just not profitable?

37 posted on 03/11/2002 6:56:03 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist
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To: monkeyshine
Dittos on the Fuji, except I'd argue one thing: You can't correct the green. If you try, it comes out sickly magenta. Can't be balanced, I've always hated that stuff.
38 posted on 03/11/2002 7:17:10 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist
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To: oprahstheantichrist
I remember that it has (had) four actual emulsions,

Not quite! The film has three layers, like all color film. What you are remembering is that there are four developers, the first developer (MQ in K-12 or PQ in K-14), cyan, yellow, and magenta. What sets apart Kodachrome from all other color films is that the dyes and couplers are contained in the three color developers rather than being incorporated into the film itself. This makes for a rather complicated and costly process but a very simple film. As for the number of tanks, the K-14 process is as follows:

1)Pre-bath or rem jet.
2)Rem-jet wash
3)First Developer
4)First Developer wash
5)Cyan developer
6)Cyan wash
7)Yellow Developer
8)Yellow wash
9)Magenta Developer
10)Magenta wash
11)Bleach
12)Bleach wash (spray)
13)Fixer
14)Final wash

For K-12, substitute Prehardner for the pre-bath, and add a magenta reversal bath and wash before the magenta developer.

I also worked at a Kodachrome lab many years ago (early '70's).

39 posted on 03/11/2002 7:43:23 PM PST by Truth Addict
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To: Don Joe
Don Joe,

I am grieved by this as well, and share your pain. I also lament the loss of glass lenses and metal camara bodies. Plastic lenses do not appear to accept gold flashings. New cameras surely don't look as sharp through the viewfinder as the older ones. My fairly well equiped darkroom may become inoperable due to losses like this. Actually, this marks the beginning of the end of a pure art form.

Its extremely sad, really.

40 posted on 03/12/2002 8:13:40 AM PST by GingisK
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