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How can William Wilberforce in good faith be called an abolitionist of slavery? The slave trade is not slavery, that's just only the slave trade and we look down on that abolitionism.
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Posted on 10/09/2026 11:19:55 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Full question that I asked:

William Wilberforce only ever passed laws to abolish the slave trade. How can he in good faith be called an abolitionist of slavery? The slave trade is not slavery, that's just only the slave trade and we look down on that abolitionism and do not consider it true abolitionism.

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Your distinction is historically important: abolishing the slave trade is not the same thing as abolishing slavery. The slave trade concerns the buying, selling, and transportation of enslaved people; slavery is the underlying institution in which people are held in bondage. A country can prohibit the former while continuing to permit the latter.

That distinction raises a legitimate question about William Wilberforce. If he is remembered as an abolitionist, what exactly did he seek to abolish, what did he actually accomplish, and how much credit should he receive for ending slavery itself?

The answer requires separating three things that are often conflated:

  1. Abolition of the slave trade: Prohibiting the trafficking and sale of enslaved people.
  2. Abolition of slavery: Ending the legal institution of owning and enslaving people.
  3. The abolitionist movement: The broader movement to end slavery, which included people who pursued different objectives at different times.

These distinctions matter because someone could oppose the slave trade without opposing slavery itself. Indeed, it was possible to condemn the transportation of enslaved Africans while believing that people already enslaved should remain in bondage.

1. Your central claim is correct: Wilberforce did not abolish slavery

The historical record is unambiguous on this point.

  • 1807 — Abolition of the Slave Trade Act: Britain prohibited its participation in the transatlantic slave trade. However, people already enslaved in British colonies remained enslaved.
  • 1823 — Renewed campaign against slavery: Wilberforce supported the campaign for emancipation throughout the British Empire, although he favoured gradual rather than immediate abolition.
  • 1833 — Slavery Abolition Act: Parliament passed legislation abolishing slavery across most of the British Empire, with significant exceptions, including territories administered by the East India Company. The law took effect in 1834.
  • 1838 — End of the apprenticeship system: Formerly enslaved people in the British Caribbean finally gained full freedom under the legislation that ended the system of compulsory apprenticeship.

These dates are documented by the UK Parliament and Historic England. The distinction between the 1807 and 1833 acts is explicit in their historical accounts. Sources: UK Parliament and Historic England.

So, if someone claims that Wilberforce personally abolished slavery in 1807, that claim is simply wrong.

But your question goes further: If Wilberforce only secured the abolition of the slave trade, how can he honestly be called an abolitionist of slavery?

The answer depends on whether we are discussing his legislative achievements or his political objectives over the course of his life.

2. Did Wilberforce actually want to abolish slavery?

This is where the historical picture becomes more complicated.

His original campaign focused on the slave trade

Wilberforce began his parliamentary campaign in the late 1780s. His initial objective was to abolish the British slave trade, and he led the parliamentary campaign that culminated in the 1807 legislation.

That legislation did not free the people already enslaved in British colonies. Nor did it immediately end the transatlantic slave trade conducted by other countries.

The UK Parliament acknowledges both limitations. Source: UK Parliament, What Happened Next.

Your objection therefore identifies a real limitation of the achievement commonly associated with his name.

However, it would also be inaccurate to conclude that Wilberforce never advocated the abolition of slavery itself.

By the 1820s, he was advocating emancipation

In 1823, Wilberforce published an appeal calling for the emancipation of enslaved people in the British West Indies.

He supported the campaign to end slavery throughout the British Empire, but he advocated a gradual process rather than immediate emancipation.

He also supported the wider antislavery movement during the final decade of his life.

The UK Parliament identifies Wilberforce as a member of the antislavery society formed in 1823 to campaign for emancipation throughout the British dominions. Source: UK Parliament, The West Indian Colonies and Emancipation.

Consequently, the assertion that Wilberforce only ever supported the abolition of the slave trade is historically inaccurate.

But that does not settle the question of how his achievements should be characterised.

3. Does opposing the slave trade make someone an abolitionist?

Your distinction becomes particularly important when we consider the different positions people could take.

Consider three hypothetical individuals:

Person A: Opposes transporting enslaved Africans across the Atlantic but believes that those already enslaved should remain enslaved.

Person B: Opposes the slave trade and believes that slavery itself should eventually end, but supports a gradual transition that leaves people enslaved for years.

Person C: Believes that slavery is inherently illegitimate and demands the immediate emancipation of enslaved people.

All three might oppose the slave trade, but their positions on slavery itself are fundamentally different.

Under a narrow definition, Person A is an opponent of the slave trade but not necessarily an abolitionist of slavery.

Person B advocates abolition, although the gradual approach raises questions about the rights of people who must continue living in bondage while politicians negotiate their freedom.

Person C advocates immediate emancipation.

The important distinction is between opposing a particular practice associated with slavery and opposing slavery as an institution.

That is why the precise language used to describe historical figures matters.

Someone who opposed the slave trade without wanting to end slavery should not automatically be credited with opposing slavery itself.

Someone who genuinely campaigned to end slavery, but advocated gradual emancipation, presents a different historical case.

Wilberforce's position evolved over time, and his later support for emancipation is the reason historians can reasonably describe him as an abolitionist of slavery, not merely as an opponent of the slave trade.

That description does not mean he achieved emancipation personally or that his preferred timetable was adequate from the perspective of those who remained enslaved.

4. Who actually abolished slavery in the British Empire?

Another important part of your question concerns the tendency to attribute a collective historical achievement to one famous individual.

Wilberforce died on 29 July 1833, only a few days before the Slavery Abolition Act received royal assent on 28 August 1833.

He did not personally enact that legislation.

The parliamentary campaign for emancipation continued after he withdrew from active political leadership. Thomas Fowell Buxton took up the cause in Parliament, while other campaigners pressed for an end to slavery.

The movement also included people whose contributions can be obscured when the history is reduced to the story of a single British politician.

These included:

  • Olaudah Equiano: His published account of his experiences of enslavement helped expose the realities of the slave trade to British readers.
  • Thomas Clarkson: He gathered evidence against the slave trade and helped organise the campaign that made abolition a major public issue.
  • Black abolitionists and formerly enslaved people: Their testimony, activism and arguments challenged the legitimacy of slavery and helped shape public debate.
  • Thomas Fowell Buxton: He continued the parliamentary campaign for emancipation after Wilberforce's withdrawal.
  • Enslaved people themselves: Their resistance, struggles for freedom and opposition to their enslavement were central to the history of emancipation.

The UK Parliament's historical account recognises the contributions of the wider movement, including Black campaigners and the activists who continued the fight after 1807. Source: UK Parliament, The Transatlantic Slave Trade.

There is also a crucial qualification to the story of emancipation.

The 1833 legislation provided £20 million in compensation to slave owners. Formerly enslaved people received no equivalent compensation, and many were forced into an apprenticeship system that required them to continue working under restrictive conditions.

Full freedom in the British Caribbean did not arrive until 1838.

These details complicate any account that presents emancipation as a straightforward act of generosity by British politicians. The legislation ended legal slavery across most of the empire, but its terms protected slave owners' financial interests and delayed the freedom of many of the people it purported to liberate.

5. So, is it misleading to call Wilberforce an abolitionist?

The answer depends on what the term is intended to convey.

If someone calls Wilberforce the man who abolished slavery in Britain, that description is misleading. He was instrumental in ending the British slave trade in 1807, but he did not enact the legislation that abolished slavery in most of the British Empire in 1833.

If someone describes him as an abolitionist who campaigned against the slave trade and later supported emancipation, that description is consistent with the historical record.

If someone uses his name to imply that he single-handedly liberated enslaved people, or that the 1807 legislation brought slavery to an end, the resulting account obscures both the limitations of that legislation and the contributions of other campaigners.

There is also a legitimate distinction between supporting the eventual abolition of slavery and demanding the immediate freedom of enslaved people. Wilberforce's preference for gradual emancipation places him in the former category, rather than the latter.

It is therefore possible to recognise his contribution without treating his position, methods or achievements as beyond criticism.


My conclusion

I think the strongest version of your argument is not that Wilberforce never supported the abolition of slavery, because the historical record contradicts that claim.

It is this:

Abolishing the slave trade is not the same as abolishing slavery, and historical accounts should not conflate the two or credit one man with an achievement accomplished by a much wider movement.

That argument stands independently of any disagreement over how the word abolitionist should be defined.

Wilberforce campaigned against the slave trade, later supported emancipation, and helped advance the movement that challenged slavery in the British Empire. Nevertheless, the 1807 act did not free enslaved people, and the 1833 legislation was enacted after his death through the efforts of a broader movement.

The remaining question is one of historical terminology: Should the word abolitionist describe anyone who advocated ending slavery eventually, or should it be reserved for those who actively demanded the institution's abolition, with a distinction made for those who prioritised ending the trade?

That is a genuine question about how we classify historical actors, and it is worth examining without confusing the abolition of the trade with the abolition of slavery itself.



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The ai slop sites all have similar answers to this from the various accessible slop websites.

But it is still an important thing to point out. Those favorable to The 1619 Project have a vested interest in beating the drum that slave trade abolitionism is garbage and is not real abolitionism, not knowing that they are fools because what they are saying is that William Wilberforce is not an abolitionist. They do not really care though, their only goal is to discredit the Abolitionist Founding Fathers.(U.S. Founders) That's what they know, they hate America, and they desire a systematic coverup of America's true history regardless of whomever they catch in their ridiculously wide nets.

The obvious point, above all else, is that claims that slave trade abolitionism are not real abolitionism are simply silly. Its ahistorical revisionist pablum and it should be treated as such mockingly. If people want to claim that slave trade abolitionism is not real abolitionism the best thing to do is to employ your best HL Mencken and give it to them good and hard. Ok well here is all the people you discredit and yeah you did kneecap many of the U.S. Founding Fathers but oh yeah, look what you did. William Wilberforce is on that list of people you discredited too.

I'm just shaking my head at how rampant anti-Americanism has become these days. "But you're talking about William Wilberforce, who was not an American citizen!" Yes, but actually no. I'm talking about the hypocrisy of those who make one sided arguments hoping nobody deconstructs their logical conclusions to see how swiss cheesed it all is. Their arguments about The Abolitionist Founding Fathers are full of holes and full of inconsistencies and contradictions. They are pretzel shaped.

(Note: Yes, the AI slop did make at least one mistake, slavery and the slave trade were in fact the same thing. All of the abolitionists in those early days did believe they were the same thing and that stopping one would stop the other. But I'm leaving that alone here.)

1 posted on 10/09/2026 11:19:56 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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William Wilberforce only abolished the slave trade. Does this one thing, putting an end to the slave trade, qualify Wilberforce to be called an abolitionist according to historians?

Was William Wilberforce an abolitionist if he only abolished the slave trade?

Yes. Historians commonly describe William Wilberforce as an abolitionist, even though he did not live to see slavery itself abolished throughout the British Empire. The important distinction is between abolishing the slave trade and abolishing slavery. They are related but historically distinct objectives.

Your question raises an important issue: Does someone qualify as an abolitionist by helping to end one aspect of slavery, or must that person also secure the emancipation of enslaved people?

To answer it historically, we need to distinguish what Wilberforce actually accomplished, what he advocated, and what happened after his death.

1. What historians mean by an abolitionist

In historical writing, abolitionist generally refers to someone who campaigned to abolish slavery or the slave trade. The term is not restricted to people who personally secured the complete legal emancipation of enslaved people.

However, there is an important distinction between two objectives:

  • Abolition of the slave trade: Ending the buying, selling, and transportation of people for enslavement.
  • Abolition of slavery: Ending the legal ownership of people as slaves and freeing those already enslaved.

Wilberforce's parliamentary campaign focused initially on the first objective, although his involvement in the wider movement extended to the second.

The UK Parliament's historical account identifies Wilberforce as the parliamentary leader of the campaign against the slave trade and documents his subsequent involvement in the movement for emancipation. Source: UK Parliament, The Abolitionists. PParliament UK+1

Thus, the distinction is not simply a matter of what Wilberforce accomplished. It also concerns what he campaigned for.

2. What Wilberforce actually accomplished

The historical record establishes three important facts.

A. He helped secure the abolition of the British slave trade in 1807

Wilberforce became the principal parliamentary spokesman for the campaign in the late 1780s. Beginning in 1791, he repeatedly introduced motions to abolish the trade, although they initially failed.

On 23 February 1807, the House of Commons voted overwhelmingly in favour of the abolition bill. It received royal assent on 25 March 1807.

Wilberforce's parliamentary leadership was central to this achievement, but he was not the sole architect of abolition. The campaign also depended on people such as Thomas Clarkson, Granville Sharp, Olaudah Equiano, and numerous other Black and white campaigners who gathered evidence, organised petitions, and mobilised public opinion. The British government, under Prime Minister Lord Grenville, also played a crucial role in securing the legislation. PParliament UK+2

B. The 1807 Act did not abolish slavery

This is the most important qualification to Wilberforce's achievement.

After 1807, slavery continued in Britain's colonies. People who were already enslaved remained enslaved, and illegal trafficking continued despite the prohibition.

The National Archives explicitly distinguishes the abolition of the slave trade in 1807 from the abolition of slavery in 1833. Even the latter did not immediately deliver complete freedom: the apprenticeship system imposed on many formerly enslaved people continued until 1838. TThe National Archives

Consequently, if we define an abolitionist narrowly as someone whose work resulted in the actual emancipation of enslaved people, the 1807 achievement alone would not establish that outcome.

But that is not the usual historical definition of the term.

C. Wilberforce also supported the campaign against slavery itself

Your question begins with the premise that Wilberforce only abolished the slave trade.

That premise needs some qualification.

Wilberforce did not secure the 1833 Slavery Abolition Act, but he remained involved in the broader antislavery movement after the 1807 victory.

According to the UK Parliament's historical account, he was among the members of the movement that formed the Society for the Mitigation and Gradual Abolition of Slavery throughout the British Dominions in 1823. This organisation campaigned for emancipation throughout Britain's colonies. Wilberforce died on 29 July 1833, shortly before the Slavery Abolition Act received royal assent on 28 August. PParliament UK+1

It would therefore be inaccurate to suggest that he achieved the abolition of the trade and then had no further involvement in the struggle against slavery.

Nevertheless, his death before the passage of the 1833 Act means that he cannot be credited with personally securing that legislation.


3. Does abolishing the slave trade qualify someone as an abolitionist?

We can examine this question from three historical perspectives.

QuestionHistorical answer
Did Wilberforce help abolish the British slave trade?Yes. He was the leading parliamentary spokesman for the campaign that secured the 1807 Act.
Did the 1807 Act abolish slavery in Britain's colonies?No. Slavery continued until the emancipation legislation of 1833, with the apprenticeship system ending in 1838.
Do historians classify Wilberforce as an abolitionist?Yes. Historical accounts commonly identify him as a leading abolitionist because of his antislavery campaigning and parliamentary leadership.

These conclusions are consistent with the historical accounts published by the UK Parliament and The National Archives. PParliament UK+1

The distinction worth emphasising is that being an abolitionist describes a person's position and campaigning, not necessarily the complete outcome of their work.

For example, a person who campaigns to abolish slavery but dies before emancipation legislation passes can still be an abolitionist. Similarly, someone who campaigns specifically to end the slave trade can be described as an abolitionist, even if their immediate objective does not include the emancipation of every person already enslaved.

The precise historical question is therefore whether Wilberforce's antislavery activities justify the label, not whether the 1807 legislation alone freed enslaved people.

4. Does the distinction change how we should assess Wilberforce?

Yes. It prevents us from confusing three different things:

  1. His historical identity: Wilberforce is widely recognised as an abolitionist.
  2. His principal legislative achievement: He helped secure the abolition of the British slave trade in 1807.
  3. The extent of emancipation achieved during his lifetime: Slavery continued in British colonies when he died in 1833.

These are distinct claims, and accepting the first does not require us to overstate the second or third.

It is also important to recognise that the campaign against slavery was a collective movement. Black activists, formerly enslaved people, petitioners, religious groups, organisers, and other campaigners contributed to the eventual abolition of slavery. Describing Wilberforce as an abolitionist does not mean that he alone abolished the trade or that he deserves sole credit for emancipation.

Furthermore, the legislation itself had limitations. The 1833 Act provided £20 million in compensation to slaveholders, while many formerly enslaved people were subjected to compulsory apprenticeship. Full emancipation in the British colonies did not arrive until 1838. TThe National Archives

Recognising Wilberforce's place in the abolitionist movement therefore does not require us to portray either the movement or its achievements as uncomplicated.


Conclusion

According to historians, Wilberforce qualifies as an abolitionist, even if we consider only his role in helping to abolish the British slave trade. The historical terminology permits this because abolitionism encompassed campaigns against the slave trade as well as campaigns against slavery itself.

However, the distinction you raise is historically significant.

  • If the claim is that Wilberforce helped abolish the British slave trade, the evidence supports it.
  • If the claim is that Wilberforce personally abolished slavery throughout the British Empire, that is incorrect.
  • If the claim is that Wilberforce's role in ending the slave trade qualifies him as an abolitionist, that is consistent with established historical usage.

One final distinction is worth keeping in mind: calling Wilberforce an abolitionist does not mean that he personally emancipated enslaved people, nor does it mean that the 1807 Act accomplished the abolition of slavery. Those are separate historical claims and should be assessed separately.

The most precise description is that Wilberforce was a leading British parliamentary abolitionist whose principal legislative victory was the abolition of the British slave trade in 1807 and who subsequently supported the wider campaign to abolish slavery.


2 posted on 10/09/2026 11:22:30 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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Once there was abolition, there was no one to care for those incapable of earning a living. That resulted in socializing the poor. That made debt slaves out of everybody.

Consider the Biblical alternative. It starts with an accurate reading of Exodus 23:11, the first description of the Sabbath for the Land. That was a system with contractual teeth. Now I'm not saying that we should replicate this system exactly, but I am saying that we should learn from its attributes.

3 posted on 10/09/2026 11:28:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

This appears to be a variation of the false argument by Leftists that anything less than perfection is illegitimate.

As perfection is never possible, this is a false argument which is used to discredit any opponent who an antagonists wishes to discredit.

Going down this path, the absurd argument becomes: Did Wilberforce immediately abolish slavery all over the world by X date? If he did not, he is not an “abolitionist”.

This is another stupid word game by the left.


4 posted on 10/09/2026 11:33:18 AM PDT by marktwain (----------------------)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

OK, but don’t let it waste your time.


5 posted on 10/09/2026 11:36:34 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I read: “Amazing Grace: William Wilberforce and the Heroic Campaign to End Slavery” and though I didn’t care for the book overall (too slow for me) it is undeniable that he contributed to the abolition of slavery and a real reduction of it overall.

Think of how the Left would view someone who made it a crusade to attack and abolish the sales of firearms. Sure, they are different, but outlawing the manufacture and sales of them would accomplish the same thing goal the Left is trying to accomplish.

Granted, there would undoubtedly be a new industry of self-manufactured firearms and clever people to find their way around it. But it would no doubt put a dent in our 2nd Amendment rights.

But to them, if they didn’t have a double standard for ideological reasons...


6 posted on 10/09/2026 11:39:56 AM PDT by rlmorel (Gas prices are Temporary. Communism is Forever. Vote Republican.)
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To: Carry_Okie

True. That is why virtually all of the original abolitionists favored gradualism, so that those brought out of slavery could transition toward being good citizens - in Liberty.

That was true both in the U.S. as well as being true back in Britain.


7 posted on 10/09/2026 11:44:33 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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To: marktwain
This appears to be a variation of the false argument by Leftists that anything less than perfection is illegitimate.

"Critical Theory" emplaces the critic above all. Once so empowered at gunpoint, accountability for outcomes evaporates.

8 posted on 10/09/2026 11:48:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The Federal Reserve, which serves the global crime syndicate, is our slavemaster.

This is why, in 1913, they established a debt system rather than continuing the income system our Founding Fathers gave us.


9 posted on 10/09/2026 11:53:36 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: marktwain

“This appears to be a variation of the false argument by Leftists that anything less than perfection is illegitimate.”

It is, I agree.

Sadly we have people right here on Free Republic even who have accepted this false perfectionism and embrace The 1619 Project narratives and insinuations by rumor about the Founders of our own country.

Very many U.S. founders were anti-slavery, with some, a distinct and notable number of Founders going above that and being verifiable abolitionists.

This is something we SHOULD be able to be proud of, but people genuinely hate it with a white hot fervent passion and will do everything they can and pull out every stop they can to throw mud and throw feces at the notion. There is actually a conspiracy to coverup the Abolitionist Founding Fathers and people desire that this coverup should continue.

“As perfection is never possible, this is a false argument which is used to discredit any opponent who an antagonists wishes to discredit.”

Yes.

An example of this is how Benjamin Franklin would (and has been) besmirched through the appeal to perfection as you mentioned it; that is; well Benjamin Franklin owned a slave so he could not possibly have ever been an abolitionist.

They are not historically sound arguments, and many, many people make the across both sides of the aisle.(I would say distinctly more left wing though) This sort of ridiculous reasoning also disqualifies Cassius M. Clay from being an abolitionist either, who owned slaves right up until the passage of the 13th amendment.


10 posted on 10/09/2026 11:55:03 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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To: aspasia
I've come to realize that this is actually one of the main events.

Progressives think they have a strength in beating the slavery drum. It's a profound weakness for the progressives.

We should be exploiting the weakness. Exploiting the weaknesses of progressivism is never a waste of time.

11 posted on 10/09/2026 11:56:22 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

bkmk


12 posted on 10/09/2026 12:02:49 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: rlmorel

I am finding it more and more fun to deconstruct all of the slavery question in relation to the years surrounding the Founding.(Declaration of Independence, before/after)

I had initially started looking a little bit into Wilberforce on part of how Eric Metaxas looks at Wilberforce but now that I’ve had a chance to work with the material more closely I am of course seeing what gets Metaxas so exited, but separately, Wilberforce’s’ books actually are “accidentally” defensive of the Founding Fathers in relation to abolitionism.

Wilberforce was extraordinarily consistent. The problem is,

His consistencies are super toxic for The 1619 Project and those who promote directly or even tangential arguments made by 1619 or 1619 mouthpieces.

Wilberforce talks of slavery as Britain’s fault. Well it can’t be that slavery is Britain’s fault. 1619 blames the U.S. Some facts have to give way.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that The 1619 Project is lying. Not Wilberforce.

Perhaps the 13 colonies were in fact subordinate after all and were not full countries capable of making those kinds of choices. Now Wilberforce does not necessarily write about the 13 colonies, however if slavery was America’s fault and of course Britain is innocent then it also must be true that slavery was the West Indies’ fault and you never see the West Indies written about as if they are the evil party. That is, I mean sure they did actually conduct the slavery there on the islands but it was all sanctioned and supported back home in England. Just as it was there also in the 13 colonies.

Wilberforce wrote 3 books, and now all 3 are LibriVox audio books. Once this third one is finished I’ll get started on Granville Sharp. I’m really looking forward to it.

None of this helps progressivism. Not one bit of it. They need us knowing nothing.


13 posted on 10/09/2026 12:11:10 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (Progressivism was America's first Postliberal ideology. Ask me for details.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

“This appears to be a variation of the false argument by Leftists that anything less than perfection is illegitimate.”
= = =

Now have them define ‘perfection’.

Real perfection would have no one oppose it.


14 posted on 10/09/2026 12:16:49 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( My pronoun is EXIT. Generally full of /S -- Living with Havana Syndrome -infected from Main Stream)
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"...I’m going to go out on a limb and say that The 1619 Project is lying. Not Wilberforce..."

Hahahaha, not much of a limb there, FRiend!!!!

15 posted on 10/09/2026 12:26:05 PM PDT by rlmorel (Gas prices are Temporary. Communism is Forever. Vote Republican.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I guess you could look at that way. But just so you know, you’re following their cue. It’s another form of slavery.


16 posted on 10/09/2026 12:26:21 PM PDT by aspasia
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