Some of this is surely propaganda, but I would suggest more of it is just being vested in their earlier arguments/debates.
If Russia attacks Ukraine and 4 and half years later they still have not met their objectives, it doesn’t matter, they are still winning. If the US strikes Iran, and 6 months later have not met their objectives, it is proof Iran is winning. Why is that bar so much higher for the US?
“If Russia attacks Ukraine and 4 and half years later they still have not met their objectives, it doesn’t matter, they are still winning. If the US strikes Iran, and 6 months later have not met their objectives, it is proof Iran is winning. Why is that bar so much higher for the US?”
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Well said.
Indeed, a “WIN” only comes when the initial objective is met.
As I see it neither Russia or America have met their war objectives yet.
We must be alert on this... : Goalpost shifting !
Goalpost shifting — changing the target after failing to meet the original one, especially to make the failure look like success. This is usually very critical/negative.
I don’t think America has changed its goalpost in its war against Iran.
It continues to fight to get a win in the end. It’s ongoing.
However, RUSSIA has drastically changed its goalpost!
It intended in the beginning to take ALL of Ukraine by a massive ground attack against Kiev, but miserably failed and had to retreat. Ukraine managed to take back 50% of what Russia originally stole in Ukraine.
And now, Russia officially says they just want Donbas in Ukraine... that’s a far cry to what they wanted in the beginning.
Thus, we can say that Russia is loosing. When you start to change goalposts as they did, it’s a very clear sign of failure.