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To: Jan_Sobieski
The Globalist puppet masters are pushing the United States to war with Russia

This has been building since the fall of the Soviet Union.

The end of the Cold War was the worst thing to ever happen to the Military Industrial Complex.

The 'Peace Dividend' meant a massive loss of expected profits and a huge loss of stock valuation.

The Middle East Wars were little infusions of cash but not the sustained infusion of the Cold War that the industry grew to know and love.

5 posted on 07/04/2026 6:19:35 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminisheRs the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but military stocks are soaring. They haven’t done this well since Vietnam. Delivery times are now quoted in years for many items our allies want to purchase. So it’s unlikely they’re pushing for war as they can’t expand fast enough right now.

Also, if you don’t want to fight a war, then you had better be prepared to fight one right now. The other side will look over and say, “Okay, just kidding.”


13 posted on 07/04/2026 6:33:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Oh, gosh! I said that out loud. I'm so sorry.)
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To: Pontiac

“This has been building since the fall of the Soviet Union.....”The end of the Cold War was the worst thing to ever happen to the Military Industrial Complex.......”The ‘Peace Dividend’ meant a massive loss of expected profits and a huge loss of stock valuation. “

A very Leftist view that the defense manufacturers control Congress and create wars for their financial benefit. B.S.


33 posted on 07/04/2026 7:13:47 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Pontiac; Jan_Sobieski; Gen.Blather; Wuli; blitz128; bert; desertsolitaire
Pontiac: "The end of the Cold War was the worst thing to ever happen to the Military Industrial Complex.
The 'Peace Dividend' meant a massive loss of expected profits and a huge loss of stock valuation."

All that kind of talk is babbling nonsense.
Here's the truth of it:

  1. Cold War, 1947-1991, US military spending averaged ~6.5% of GDP per year, including the Korean War, Vietnam War and Reagan's 1980s military buildup.
    The Cold War peaked at ~12% in 1953 (Korean War)
    The War On Terror peaked in 2010 at ~4.5% of GDP.

  2. "Peace Dividend" 1992-today, reduced military spending to 3.5% of GDP on average, including the War on Terror.
    The "Peace Dividend" bottomed at 2.8% under Clinton and again at 2.9% under Biden.

  3. Pres. Trump's 2026 budget was around 3.1% of GDP.
    Pres. Trump's 2027 budget is projected at ~4.5% of GDP.

  4. The 1990s "Peace Dividend" destroyed the US military industrial base, reducing major contractors by 90%, employment by over 50% (2 million), the Navy's ship production and fleet by 50%, aircraft & armored vehicles by well over 50%.
The results we can see today, including:
  1. China outproduces the US Navy by many-to-one.
    The US Navy struggles with ships that used to be easy to make -- frigates (Constellation), corvettes (LCS), a new destroyer (Zumwalt), new systems on aircraft carriers (i.e., EMALS), the list goes on.

  2. US ammunition stockpiles are deeply depleted by minor operations such as Iran and Ukraine.

  3. US military deterrence and containment of aggressive powers like Russia and China is woefully short of what's required.

  4. US responses to new tech such as drones is unconvincing so far.
Yes, there is a serious upside to forcing our allies to carry more of the military burden (and buy more of our hardware), but in the end, World Peace since 1945 has depended on a strong-enough US military, and without that, there will be no peace, ever again.
60 posted on 07/04/2026 10:28:28 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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