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To: discostu
I think people like you resent that the U.S. ever existed in the first place and wish the U.S. was never formed.

That's what you're advocating here. Day 1 suicide.

Without compromises to keep the 13 colonies together, we would become slaves to the British Empire again as we were before. Most likely Washington, Mason, Patrick Henry, and hundreds of others, the entire Continental Congress, every Declaration signer, would be put to death under acts of treason. Made into examples of what happens for disobedience to the crown.

"But doing the right thing is often ugly and unpleasant"

Suicide is not "the right thing". It's ridiculous in your scenario though.

99 posted on 05/08/2026 11:44:33 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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To: lastchance; discostu; DiogenesLamp
America's pioneering of transatlantic slavery abolitionism pre-1776 is a prime example of American Exceptionalism.

We gotta be able to say that phrase. American Exceptionalism. And we can say it. Because America is in fact exceptional.

100 posted on 05/08/2026 11:54:37 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I know with absolute certainty people like you excuse bad decisions.

I never advocated suicide. That’s a straight up lie from you.

With compromise we had slavery for another 80 odd years and had a much nastier Civil War with much better guns to finally end it.

Without compromise we probably still win the Revolution War, since France’s help was the most important factor in that and France probably still signs on even if some of the states are on the wrong side. And then either we conquer those states in the Revolution and they don’t get slaves. Or they stay British colonies and we probably wind up taking them in the War of 1812.

Lots of people die doing the right thing. We generally call them heroes and give them statues. The right thing is hard. Ending slavery then would have been hard. Would have made the Revolution harder. Maybe leads to an immediate Civil War, or a slightly weaker first America with fewer stripes in the flag. But would have been the right call. The simple fact is declaring a self evident truth that all men are created equal, except in these state, was the height of hypocrisy, and just kicked all the negative side effect of ending slavery down the road the better part of a century, where we got to pay a much higher price.


101 posted on 05/08/2026 11:59:50 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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