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DIY Plug in Solar panels, or balcony solar Discussion thread.
Youtube ^ | 4/30/2026 | Sketchy Survival

Posted on 05/03/2026 7:34:45 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Interesting concept of solar panel system plugged directly into a household outlet for a do it yourself supplemental power supply. According to the video (and other sources) it's newly legal in Utah and several other states. It's also in wide spread use in Europe.

I know there are several Freepers who have solar power of different types, I've always been interested in the subject but have never gone past solar battery charging for boats or cars or cameras.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Science
KEYWORDS: diy; energy; solar; solarenergy; solarpanel; video
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1 posted on 05/03/2026 7:34:45 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
I don't know how they do this. It is generally wrong (perhaps illegal?) to backfeed electricity through a receptacle.

2 posted on 05/03/2026 7:38:55 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
The reason is because linemen or technicians on that line could be electrocuted. This generally requires a disconect switch from the mains.

3 posted on 05/03/2026 7:40:43 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
This generally requires a disconect switch from the mains.

Just shut the main breaker off. Always the first step.

4 posted on 05/03/2026 7:47:46 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, the Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
According to the video its called 'grid following inverter logic', something like you and I might relate to as similar to pulse wave modulation; useful in electronic devices that convert direct current (DC) into alternating current (AC) by rapidly switching semiconductor devices like IGBTs or MOSFETs on and off.

Grid-following inverter (GFL) logic operates the inverter as a current source that synchronizes with the existing grid voltage and frequency rather than creating its own. The core control objective is to inject specific active ($P$) and reactive ($Q$) power by modulating the output current vector to match grid setpoints.

5 posted on 05/03/2026 7:48:04 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

And I should have added, it shuts down if the grid power supply stops. So it’s useless in a power failure, but that’s not it’s purpose.


6 posted on 05/03/2026 7:50:56 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

I have ~800 W of solar panels.

They are here for backup power should I get dropped off the grid.

I have a number of deep cycle batts and some sine wave inverters.

My local Coop provides power @ a marginal rate of ~$0.07/kWh. All other costs/prices/mo. are fixed.

Not much incentive to produce power to consume here or send off to them [I’d be paying them $0.07/kWh] during the day when the house power consumption is on the order of low 100s of Watts [except when running the electric dryer.]


7 posted on 05/03/2026 8:15:34 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

“The reason is because linemen or technicians on that line could be electrocuted. This generally requires a disconect switch from the mains.”

For a conventional generator, very true. In this case, I suspect the inverter does that job. All the inverter has to do is shut off output power for a millisecond and then see if output voltage collapses - if there’s no other source (i.e., grid power), then the output voltage will collapse, if there is a source, it stays at 120V. Do that once per second.


8 posted on 05/03/2026 8:19:06 PM PDT by BobL (Trusting one's doctor is the #1 health mistake one can make.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

I also have some Grid-tie inverters for fooling around, using Kill-a-watt meters to see what is going on.


9 posted on 05/03/2026 8:27:30 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Seems odd why that would be anyone’s setup.


10 posted on 05/03/2026 8:29:03 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: All
Plug-in solar can bring safe, affordable, household solar to every household, offering immediate relief from skyrocketing energy bills. So far, only Utah and Maine have passed a law that will allow these small-scale portable solar systems to be sold. It's time for Michigan to join the plug-in movement.

That link is for Michigan, the land of two or three sunny days between November and March. You should be able to backwards navigate to your State from my link.

11 posted on 05/03/2026 8:35:54 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: Organic Panic

Please elaborate.


12 posted on 05/03/2026 8:36:36 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: Organic Panic

As cool as an off-grid solar or whatever, homestead might be, this isn’t that at all. It’s a way to reduce the electricity utility costs in any home and pay back the costs of installation in just a few years, not decades.


13 posted on 05/03/2026 8:43:37 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
No electrical expert here. But I had 20 rooftop panels for many years and (in FL where we have abundant sunshine) I had about 3 to 5 months of “free” electricity a year. If the power went out d/t a storm or hurricane I also lost electricity. many electricians and the solar company told me it was illegal for the panels to be live and powering my house (excess always fed back into the grid) while the power was down as it could electrocute anyone working on restoring power.

Now I have battery backups (Tesla power walls) and add’l solar so now my electricity stays on whenever there is an outage - and our development lost power for about two days but we didn't. It cost a lot but I did it as piece of mind and to make sure that my wife's medical equipment didn't lose power. Excess feeds back into the grid and for 11 months last year we had no bill from the power company. Now I say no bill but we have to pay a “stay hooked up to the grid” bill monthly because these people can't go cold turkey from our money.

I assume a system like being discussed in the article is to reduce consumption by adding electricity to the home at no cost, I also assume that it shuts down if the grid goes down again so repairmen don't have to worry about electricity feedback.

On my system they put something in that automatically keeps the electricity in my house and any excess goes into the batteries. Just my two cents.

14 posted on 05/03/2026 8:49:58 PM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

$1400 for (max) 800w? Massive upcharge IMO.

Inverter in Amazon link is this one: https://northernep.com/products/microinverters/bdm-800 which a search turns up https://solartekcorp.com/products/nep-bdm-800-micro-inverter for $220. Quick search on 200w panels turns up a 4-pack for $400, so this ‘kit’ is doubling the cost of just buying stuff.

Smart plug as shown is $35. https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/products/emporia-smart-plug-home-energy-monitoring-outlets?variant=46166322315519 and is totally optional for fun or those people who love to have an app for everything.

Other variants exist; this has a (hopefully accurate?) hint on where it’s legal: https://ussolarsupplier.com/blogs/news/plug-in-solar-guide-2026

Quick tech read suggests these are intended to shut off when the grid does so no backfeed to hit linemen, but also no good when the power’s out either. Also grey area so if something happens and you’re not in Utah I’d expect you’re paying for repairs. Thirdly these are smallish and while 1200w isn’t nothing it’s not self-sufficiency either.


15 posted on 05/03/2026 8:51:20 PM PDT by No.6
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Right, one of the videos said $500 but I couldn't find that price. The Amazon link I posted sounded more like $1300, so our 2-3 years goes maybe double that.

I've priced out solar panels and systems that I never spent anymore than engineering design time on, and found a great deal of price fluctuation on, so there's still hope I assume.

16 posted on 05/03/2026 9:31:53 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: No.6
At 800 watts they're building in another 1000 watts for running household electricity on any 15 amp circuit.

Seems reasonable, typical design safety factor. 15a = 1800w / 120v.

17 posted on 05/03/2026 9:43:06 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
Okay here's one without the solar panels; ebay
18 posted on 05/03/2026 9:48:16 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see)
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