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To: DiogenesLamp; Ditto; x; Rockingham; FLT-bird; ClearCase_guy; All
To all: DiogenesLamp's endlessly repeated claim that "the South" "paid for" 72% of Federal revenues is, of course, complete nonsense.
However, Southerners absolutely did contribute economically to the Union, circa 15% to 20% of total US GDP, and the loss of Southern exports did affect the Union economy, just not as much as our Lost Cause apologists like to pretend.

How much?

The table below represents the best summary I can find of US & CSA economics during the years 1860-1865:

DiogenesLamp: "72% of Federal revenue came from export products from the South.
If PEACE had maintained, those products would have eventually shipped directly from the South to Europe, and Northern Factors wouldn't have been involved.
Northern businesses would not have been involved.
That 200 million dollars per year
[Southern Products
exports] would have been completely removed from the Northern economy.
The 500 million in direct trade with the North would also become less and less, because Southerners would be buying cheaper and better quality products directly from Europe."

Yes, DiogenesLamp's basic claim that the Union economy would (& did) suffer from removal of Confederate state exports & trade with the Union is valid -- that did happen to some degree, arguably circa 15%-20% overall.
However, the net result in 1861 was not a reduction in Union GDP -- even when adjusted for inflation, Union GDP continued to grow throughout the Civil War.
So, while the loss of Confederate state exports did hurt the Union economically, it was not the devastation our Lost Cause apologists like to pretend.

However, secession was absolutely devastating to the Confederate economy, which had contracted 65% in 1865, compared to 1860, in constant dollars.

Further, by 1863 Federal tariff revenues in nominal terms exceeded 1860's, and by 1864 even in inflation adjusted terms.
So all pretenses that "the South" "paid for" any number remotely resembling 72% of Federal revenues are just nonsense.

Here are the real numbers:

USA & CSA GDPs, Exports, Imports & Tariffs (1860–1865)
All figures in millions of dollars, inflation-adjusted to 1860 dollars (except specie).
Sources: [1][2][3][4][5][6]
YearUSA Nominal
GDP
Inflation-Adjusted
GDP (1860$)
Union
GDP
CSA
GDP
Total
Exports
Southern
Exports
Specie
Exports**
Total
Imports
Tariff
Revenues
Average
Tariff %*
18604,4104,3163,546770400208673545315%
18614,6734,3983,73866020963242723814%
18625,8814,9454,435510159 121594126%
18637,7465,3234,908415142 171674728%
18649,6005,3795,064315144 251775732%
186510,0125,5235,248275143 301324736%
Notes: Union GDP calculated as total U.S. GDP minus estimated CSA GDP.
Non-GDP series deflated using implied GDP deflators derived from Officer–Williamson.
Southern exports available only for 1860–1861.

* Tariffs after 1861 are Morrill Tariff rates.

** Specie exports are reported in nominal values and are not inflation‑adjusted, as they represent physical transfers of gold and silver rather than transactions settled in depreciated paper currency.

Sources
[1] Nominal U.S. GDP (Officer–Williamson / MeasuringWorth):
https://www.measuringworth.com/datasets/usgdp/result.php

[2] GDP methodology:
https://www.measuringworth.com/datasets/usgdp/constructiongdp.php

[3] Inflation-adjusted GDP series:
https://www.measuringworth.com/datasets/usgdp/sourcegdppre29.php

[4] Confederate States GDP estimates:
Historical Statistics of the United States
Schwab (1901), Confederate States of America

[5] U.S. exports, imports, and specie:
Scientific American Reference Book
U.S. Census foreign trade history

[6] U.S. tariff revenues:
Trescott, “Federal Government Receipts and Expenditures, 1861–1875” (JSTOR)

183 posted on 03/22/2026 8:54:09 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

Nice job BroJoe. That is data only a nut case can refute. And it shows that King Cotton was just a myth.


185 posted on 03/22/2026 9:14:36 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: BroJoeK
Good work -- and definitive on the issue.

The South's large plantation owning slaveholders were not just wealthy but also astonishing in their pride and unreality about what secession would set in motion. Cotton and other plantation crops like tobacco and rice were so lucrative that British and US merchant banks had branches in the South's significant port cities. These included Charleston, Savannah, Mobile, Richmond, and New Orleans, of course, but also Pensacola, Wilmington, and Apalachicola.

So, with cash and access to credit, why didn't the Antebellum South also develop industry on a significant scale as the North did? Textile factories would have been a natural fit. Yet, aside from railroads, which served the transport needs of the plantation economy, there was little interest in industry because plantation slavery was so lucrative.

Eventually, during and after the Civil War, the South developed an industrial base. Yet, for decades, its growth was impeded by the South's endemic poverty, poor educational system, and the dismal effects of segregation. The modern South is different of course, and in many respects, a better place to live than the North.

195 posted on 03/22/2026 12:38:43 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: BroJoeK

I don’t bother with your long messages any more. Life is too short to wade through your stuff pointing out where it is misleading or wrong.


200 posted on 03/23/2026 7:18:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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