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To: TBP
The president is not responsible to make the budget, that is the legislature

That is being done, but it is oftern ignored., so what is your point? The Prsident has no power for that budget reccomendation to even be considered. So, the president really has no real involvement in the budget creation. He is only required to submiot a budget, which is always done.

True, and he does so with his votes and by offering amendments. But he is not leadership, not Budget Committee, so he's not responsible for working up a budget, merely for voting on it like any other Member. And if he submitted one, your boy Johnson would simply sideline it.

He has a voice, and he could voice his objections that the Budget Committee must start producing a budget that lowere the spending. He could also lobby for him to be picked to be on the Budget Committee as well. Has he ever sasked for that consideration? But again, it has already been acknowledged by me that t, that issue is one I stand with him, but it's the only one, and there are other issues the come before him that I disagree with his votes. I disagree with a lot of the way Mike Johnson leads the House as Speaker. I think he is incredibly weak. But at least he does work with te President to deliver what Presidet Trump needs to make chnges. Again, Massie had the opportunity to throw his hat into the ring to obtain a leadership role, but he didn't, because it's easier tobe an ankle-biter than a real leader.

Massie has held significant committee assignments related to fiscal policy and government spending. In the 118th Congress (2023–2025), he served as Chairman of the Administrative State, Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust Subcommittee under the House Judiciary Committee. In the 119th Congress (2025–2027), he was assigned to the Committee on Judiciary, including the Constitution and Limited Government Subcommittee, and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure.

So, can you point to his accomplishments within these Committes?

False statement. He's been just as active on spending and budget issue, foreign policy issues, and the like. Just because you're laser focused on a single issue doesn't mean he is. You're simply regurgitating untrue statements you've been fed.

Again, same answer as above, and I'll add agaIN that this only comes up when they want to shutdown the government. I have no one feeding me my opinions He is It's his word & actions that form my opinions. Do not try to project what you do, as being what I do to arrive at my opinions.

Good, nobody has a problem with that, but again, they find plenty, then fail to include it in their legislation. And when they do, they bundle it in a so-called Omnibus or a CR with lots of Democrat crap in it. OBBB had a bunch of that. Massie couldn't vote for that.

The they you are referring to, is the legislature, and yes they do because they refuse to do their job as I keep repeating over & over, because you make the same statement over & over, trying to show that you have an argument, which you do, but I have already laid the blame where it correctly lies, with the legislature.

OBBB had a bunch of that. Massie couldn't vote for that.

Present just some of those items, since you say is was a bunch, but again this boils down to the legislatuire not doing their job as defined in the Constitution.

Congress just reauthorized the Biden spending levels. What, specifically, is Trump not spending? And by what authority?

President Trump's team has offered rescissions to Congress.

Rescission Requests: President Trump submitted a rescissions package requesting Congress to immediately rescind funding for 22 previously approved items. This proposal is part of broader cost-cutting efforts led by Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), which has already implemented funding cuts through executive actions like impoundments.

Congressional Process: Under special budget procedures, Congress must consider the president’s rescission request within 45 days of continuous session. If Congress does not pass a resolution approving the rescission within that timeframe, the funds must be made available for obligation. The process is designed to limit delays, including blocking the use of the Senate filibuster.

/ Political Context: Some members of Congress from both parties have quietly resisted these efforts, viewing them as an overreach of executive power. A recent funding law included measures aimed at reinforcing Congress’s control over appropriations, signaling pushback against Trump's unilateral spending changes.

Then there are tariff revenues that offset spending: Customs duties surged after widespread tariffs took effect in early 2025, with monthly collections rising from $7 billion in January to over $30 billion by September. U.S. Customs and Border Protection reported collecting more than $200 billion between January 20 and December 15, 2025, attributing the record haul to over 40 executive orders.

Lastly there are investments being made by foreign concerns to build factories that bring jobs & factories back to the U.S. to rediuce our dependencies upon foreign nations like China that could have and could rock our world n a negative manner. They do this to avoid the tariffs.

Then let's get the files out UNREDACTED so we can get real information and end the speculation. Why would you have a problem with that?

Already discussed. There have been no formal charges against these people to out them publicly. Besides that Ro Kahanna just released a buinch of names. Why is Ro Kahana now releasing these names? Massie knows the names as well because he has access to the unredacted Epstein documents. Let him speak out, and perhaps he may just get a lawsuit leveled at him for defamation.

He took unilateral military action in Venezuela. That was an act of war. Fortunately, we had very few casualties. But CONGRESS declares war and the AUMF that all President use applied to Iraq; it wan't an unlimited Grant of authority.

It was a brilliant show of force that successfully removed a criminal who has been responsible for the deaths of of millions of Americans via drug overdose.. As I said before you & MNassie are troo gnorant to recognize when this nation is at war, just becase they are not using their military to wage that wasr.. they use drugs, tariffs, and uinfair trading practices to provide a million cuts that have totally eviscerated this nation slowly but surely for decades now. Wake up silly boi, and tell your bopi Massie to waje up also.

The strike against Iran was another brilliant use of the military to put not only Iran, but other nations on alert that President Donald Trump will not hesitate to use our military for specific operations to stop them form proliferating nuclear weapons to bad actor nations.

I have said no such thing, but it is obvious that Epstein and Maxwell trafficked someone to someone, or we wouldn't have convicted them (especially considering Epstein was a Democrat, and probably still votes for them), and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That is your opinion, but in reality you do not know if Epstein trafficked anybody to anyone. He certainly made sure that he had women who were sexualy free available to rich men of influence & power, but we have no evidence that they were trafficked this time I will not repeat what the British journalisi who ha been stuying the Epsten issue for six years, other than Virginia Giuffre was caight in several lies, she also procurred other females for a handsome pay day for them & herself. Which means she was no better than Maswell. They were not held in bondadge as trafficked individuals are. The were perfectly free to roam arouind. This all started aroung the "Me Too", all women must be believed revolution that like all other nonsense the Democrats bring to the culture war it lacked common sense,and instead relied upon emotional response, which is exactly how you are acting. You do not know what really transpired, but you are more than willing to throw these people to the wolves because of what tou believe to be the truth.

It appears you automatically disbelieve any and all of these women. Giuffre said she never saw Trump do anything wrong; was she lying then, or are you just selective about what you want to believe and what you don't want to believe, as the Democrats are?

No, the evidence & facts lead me to my conclusions. It doesn't mean I am right, but then again, it doesn't help your believe either. As for her telling the truth about Trump, there is evidence to back up wht she has said. Again, tht evidence is what I based my conclusion on, not her words on a stand alone basis. I also know exactly what the Democrats are, a lying bunch of power hugry political hacks who have gotten filthy rich off of the taxpayers whom they want to enslave, literally, not figuratively.

Yes, and? You seem to think it's all about personal loyalty, following President Trump on every issue completely, no matter what he says or does. It isn't. It's about advancing principles.

Yes, the majority by all measures won this election with a mandate on the campaign issues that he stated. Therefore, Massie, as well as, all legislators have a responsibility to carry out those campaign promises that we voted him to carry out. It's not loyalty, it's doing what the people want. It's legal;, and it is also morally responsible for the nation's well being.

Why does President Trump endorse RINOs like Lindsey Graham?

Because he has sway over other RINOs.

That's precisely why Massie's concern is. When we were attacked in 1941, FDR asked for and got a declaration of war the next day. Massie is asking the President to seek a Congressional declaration of war. You cna't just go around using force

Again, that was a military act, where as we are being attacked asymmetrically, not millitarilly. Are you unsure what I am talking about? Apparently that is the case.

They are not attacking us using their military, they are attacking us finacially, with drugs, infiltration, bribing people within to assist them in taking down this nation, od you understand now, why Trump would not be given a declaration of war as was given to FDR in WWII. Once again though your ignorance is showing. Trump was well within the law for what he did in Venezula.

"America goes not forth searching for monsters to destroy." -- John Quincy Adams

There was no searching done. What was done was akin to what Thomas Jefferson did with the Barbury pirates. To solve a problem plaguing this nation. Surely there should be nothing objectionable. It wasn't a protracted operation that lasted approximately 2.5 hours from start to finish, and again there was no need to declare war on Venezuea. He didn't really even foment a regime change,, since the Vice President was allowed to ascend to the Presidency.

Cuba and Iran seem to be teetering on the brink without the USA using force.

Again, you show that your ignorance knows no boundaries. Cuba is teetering exactly because of the operation executed to bring Nicolas Maduro to stand trial as a narco-terrorist, because their access to Venezuela's oil has been eliminated.

Iran is teetering because of the citizenry, and that may have been spraked by their declining power, as well as, our one & done attack on their nuclear enrichment & development of nuclear weapons capabilities, but that last part is subjective, as I believe that the economy was the actual spark that ignited the rioting. Getting the Mullahs removed from Iran would go a long way to bringing stability & hopefully peace to the Middle East. Trump is just providing a visible sow of force to keep the Muluahs from commiting mass murder on their citizenry. Hopefully that is all that will be needed to topple this repressive regime who practices the ROP at the end of a barrel.

Yet both the OBBB & the CR increased or maintained the excessive spending.That just increases our debt.

The Omnibus bill that they approved for Biden, created the problem to begin with, and their refusal to stop Biden for throwing the gates of this nation wide open to bring in q0s of millions of illegal invadrs, who required taking care of, and supplying their every need was passed by a Democrat controlled Congress. When the Republicans retook the House, they Senate remaned in control of the Democrats. That was the time to shutdown the government demanding an end of the invasion, and starting the deportation process.

Which doesn't empower him to just do anything he wants.

Actually it does empower hiom to do what he peomised he would do, and there was nothing illegal about doing so either.

You're being ridiculous. There eis literally nothing that supports you dumb claim

Yes the critizism of ICE & the operation in Venezuwla are 2 examples. They are Democrat talking points and the radicals are are the people Massie is siding with. Your lack of congnitive thiknking skills prevent you from seeing the truth.

The remaioning screed from you is nothing more than an exercise in ommission & decpetive debating. So, I will stop here.

69 posted on 02/11/2026 9:10:57 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
True. And you just admitted it's not Massie's responsibility, yet you demanded he write one. That's not his job. Teh President submits one, Congress amends it. Massie's not on the Budget Committee. He offers amendments; they get very few votes. In your mind, somehow, that means the rest of Congress is cool, but Masie trying to cut spending is the problem.

Becuase you've been told to think that.

He has a voice, and he could voice his objections that the Budget Committee must start producing a budget that lowere the spending.

Not while it's in committee. He does offer amendments. It's not Massie's fault that the rest of Congress refuses to cut spending.

And he also pushes for individual, single-subject spending bills instead of omnibus bills.

Massie works to achieve what President Trump says he wants to do, despite the legislature. He's offered bills to codify the DOGE cuts. Johnson buried it.

this only comes up when they want to shutdown the government.

That is untrue. it comes up every time they want to consider spending.

Massie introduced a bill co codify the DOGE cuts. He introduced a bill to kill the automobile kill switch. He's introduced many such bills. It's not his fault that the RINOs and Dhimmicraps team up to kill them. Yet you use that to attack him.

I have no one feeding me my opinions

And yet you completely regurgitate whatever "your team" says at any given moment.

Present just some of those items

Net increase in spending: ~$368 billion over 10 years

The bill is widely scored by independent and nonpartisan analysts as adding to the federal deficit.

It appropriates $10 billion per fiscal year in new spending to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) for 2026-2030 ($50 billion over five years) to disperse.

Exempts states with up to a 6% error rate form the matching funds requirement for SNAP.

It extends the ARC program through the 2031 crop year. It also increases the coverage guarantee level from 86% to 90% of the benchmark revenue and increases the maximum payment amount from 10% to 12.5% of the benchmark revenue.

Extends the Marketing Assistance Loan (MAL) program nonrecourse and recourse loans through the 2031 crop year.

Increases certain crop insurance premium subsidies

And others. It's an 850-page bill that cuts certain items but increases many others and increases overall spending and debt.

CBO projects the bill will increase the budget deficit by roughly $4.7 trillion over ten years, even accounting for tariff revenues and spending changes.

Tied to the bill is a large increase in the federal debt limit (several trillion dollars)

When interest costs and other costs are factored, it is estimated that it will require $4.1 trillion or more in additional borrowing.

There have been no formal charges against these people to out them publicly. Besides that Ro Kahanna just released a buinch of names.

Good. But we need ALL of them. If they're not fully released, unredacted, soon, Massie will read them all. He would prefer that DOJ simply unredacted them, as his (and Khanna's) law requires.

you do not know if Epstein trafficked anybody to anyone.

Are you serious? That's what Maxwell's conviction was for -- trafficking. You seem very eager to make sure we never find out about it. What are you scard of? Who are you so eager to protect?

Why the animus towards Virginia Giuffre, who said President Trump never did anything wrong? It appears you automatically disbelieve any and all of these women. Again, who are you protecting?

It was a brilliant show of force that successfully removed a criminal who has been responsible for the deaths of of millions of Americans via drug overdose..

Then why are we leaving his regime in place?

So we can just declare any head of state a criminal and go remove him or her? Taht sounds a little dangerous, even from a leader with teh best of intentions like President Trump. Imagine Newscum or Whitler applying that same policy. Or AOC.

As I said before you & MNassie are troo gnorant to recognize when this nation is at war

More falsehods from you. Why not admit we're at war with China and Iran and go get their leaders?

we are being attacked asymmetrically, not millitarilly.

True, but there's no real difference. Do you mean to tell me that the means by which we're being attacked changes teh constitutional responsibilities and rules of how we respond to that attack?

the majority by all measures won this election with a mandate on the campaign issues that he stated. Therefore, Massie, as well as, all legislators have a responsibility to carry out those campaign promises that we voted him to carry out.

That's not how it works. Taht's exactly why we don't have a parliamentary system like Britain (which as more members of hte House of Commons than we have members of teh House of Representatives, BTW.)

Massie and the other 434 members were elected to represent the interests of their constituents, not just to follow the president wherever he may go. It's not an executive-driven system or a party-driven system. The Framers divided power on purpose.

As teh great Edmund Burke said, "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgement; and he betrays you instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion."

Because he has sway over other RINOs.

Dumb answer. Lindsey Graham has about a 60% support rating, whereas Massie's is in teh 90s. Yet you support Lindsey and oppose Massie becuase POTUS told you to.

Cuba is teetering exactly because of the operation executed to bring Nicolas Maduro to stand trial as a narco-terrorist

That's a factor; Cuba was teetering before that.

Iran is teetering because of the citizenry, and that may have been spraked by their declining power

Thank you for proving my point.

The Omnibus bill that they approved for Biden, created the problem to begin with

True -- and Massie opposed it. And that doesn't mean we shoudl just continue those irresponsible, insane, dangerous spending levels. Massie voted against those levels of spending under Biden and under Trump. Everyone else (virtually) flipped on it, depending on who was in office.

Actually it does empower hiom to do what he peomised he would do

Again, no, he's not empowered to do just any old thing he wants to do. Congress has a say; you seem to think their duty is to just play follow the leader. That totally undermines the constitutional design of our governmental system. He's not just automatically empowered to do whatever he may have promised unless Congress supports it. No President is.

Remember when 0bama told John McCain to shut up becuase he won? He no more had he power to just do what he wanted without any opposition than Trump does or Biden did.

They are Democrat talking points and the radicals are are the people Massie is siding with.

Repeating this over and over won't make it true.

The remaining screed from you is nothing more than an exercise in omission & deceptive debating. So, I will stop here.

70 posted on 02/12/2026 10:00:54 AM PST by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Democrat cult.)
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