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Posted on 01/16/2026 5:40:18 AM PST by spacewarp
I have been wondering why the left is so absolutely dead set against ICE and their mission of keeping America safe.
I had a discussion with a leftist on a friend's FB post (and no, I'm not posting her post, or my friend will be hit with tons of people showing up). She claimed that they were Gestapo. I told her she was wrong. I then worked to try to explain why Renee Good was in the wrong, and she posted up a list.
If I believed the line of lies of the left, I can understand why they believe that it's horrible.
How can we ever come to common ground when these lies and heinous ones at that, exist and people are brainwashed into believing this tripe.
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Not meaningfully constrained by courts (JD Vance says ice has absolutely immunity)
Could detain people without warrants (main source of ICE detainments is without judicial warrants)
Families often not informed of detainees’ whereabouts (theyre moving detainees without notice or telling their families.)
No transparency or public accountability (they're not even conforming clients are in cells when the immigration lawyers call)
Primary mission was suppressing political dissent (not yet. But it's likely coming soon) Loyalty to the ruling regime, not neutral law enforcement (debatable. I'd say yes since they're not following the law, the constitution, or the bill of rights)
Detention based on suspicion, denunciation, or ideology (yup. Will detain people regardless of ability to prove citizenship. Literally detaining people at their immigration hearings)
No requirement for criminal charges (75% don't have criminal backgrounds according to ICEs own stats)
Indefinite detention common (El Salvador...)
Public uncertainty about rules and limits (1000%. I don't think police even understand if/when they can intercede)
Fear of sudden arrest discouraged dissent (in my opinion, that's their goal)
Psychological intimidation was intentional (reading the reports of what ICE says to people while they're detaining them, SAing them, beating them in handcuffs, making them eat off the floor like dogs...yeah. but proving intent is tedious and notoriously difficult to do, so id say no for now)
Encouraged civilians to report on neighbors (there's an ICE holine number to report people...)
Anonymous accusations often sufficient for arrest (haven't researched this exact data yet but happy to check.)
Fostered mistrust within communities (easy yes) Officers sometimes operated without clear identification (yup)
Victims often couldn’t identify who arrested them (yup) No meaningful mechanism to challenge abuse (yup) Physical coercion and torture while detained (we cant really say if this is the rule of thumb, but theres certainly a demonstrable trend: American Civil Liberties Union https://share.google/lke2HE41yZUptR2AA)
No legal protections for detainees (none that they're following...)
Confessions often extracted under duress (not sure that this fully applies here so I'll say no for now)
Blurred law enforcement with military power (yup.)
Civil policing merged with state violence (the actual structure of ice)
Law served ideology, not justice (claiming to only get rid of the criminals...then detaining everyone regardless of criminal status or even legal status actually)
Actions justified by “security” or “state necessity” (your commens alone prove this one correct)
Constitutional protections effectively meaningless (literally why people are actually so enraged and afraid) Officers rarely punished for abuses (lmao)
Internal discipline prioritized loyalty over legality (cant confirm or deny fairly)
Victims had no effective legal recourse (trump literally has asked for judges to not hear immigration violation cases anymore)
Powers justified by crisis narratives (yup)
“Temporary” emergency authority became permanent (trump just declared a state of emergency. So we shall see)
Normal legal limits suspended indefinitely (tbd)
Illegals are criminal foreign invaders. ICE is removing them. Comparisons to the gestapo are retarded, as ICE doesn’t go after citizens or legal residents. Tell your brainwashed lefty buddies to screw themselves.
Imagine removing thirty million illegal aliens one at a time, one court hearing at a time.
How many judges would that take?
How many courts would that take?
How long would that take?
I’m not clear on your post. Your comments in parens - are you agreeing that ICE and the Gestapo are the same? Clarify yourself please.
We are looking Evil in the face, it’s that simple.
It is just TDS. The whackos are against ANYTHING the Trump government does, period.
I was watching a video of Nick Shirley talking with a local Somali.
The Somali was not happy that Nick was investigating “their people” and that is would cause racism.
The Somali specifically mentioned the interning of Japanese Americans during World War II as an example of white racism.
That was ironic and on point.
We are effectively at war with a hostile people—and many of them are within our walls.
No serious nation in world history would do anything differently that we did in World War II with the Japanese Americans.
Yes—it is unfair.
Yes—there was no due process.
Yes—it violated the Constitution.
Yes—it contradicted our values.
But—we had to do it anyway.
Because—national suicide is not a sound strategy.
“The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.”
This phrase suggests that the underlying motivations and goals of a movement or revolution are often more significant than the specific issues being addressed. It emphasizes the idea that revolutions are about broader societal change rather than just the immediate problems at hand
Bkmk
I would just like to know why these people were not protesting when Obama was deporting 5.3 million and Clinton 12 million. Now we have people - so-called LE officials in PA, no less - saying ICE isn’t even “real.” Part of the problem is these idiots believe the bullshit they literally make up as they go.
“I’m not clear on your post. Your comments in parens - are you agreeing that ICE and the Gestapo are the same? Clarify yourself please.”
Ditto - that makes at least two of us. The OP seemed to state ICE had no similarities to the Gestapo while the list in the first post only muddied the debate.
They must be getting paid big money; it’s a job for them.
As my MIL said about the Japanese internment...”At least they lived.” Her brother was killed in WW2
How can we ever come to common ground when these lies and heinous ones at that, exist and people are brainwashed into believing this tripe
You appear to have dropped a steaming turd on FR and then skiddadled. Why is that?
What “families?” They are here illegally, so what is the official address their illegal wife and child are at? If they are all illegal, each family told of the location of the illegal father should also be arrested. Round them all up!
No transparency or public accountability (they're not even conforming clients are in cells when the immigration lawyers call).
The process is being rapidly ramped up and there will be rough spots.
Primary mission was suppressing political dissent (not yet. But it's likely coming soon) Loyalty to the ruling regime, not neutral law enforcement (debatable. I'd say yes since they're not following the law, the constitution, or the bill of rights)
ICE is not suppressing political dissent and it won't. It is also not debatable that they are not neutral. Democrats were in charge for eight years of 0bama and four years of Biden. There was just five years of Trump, so far. ICE employees lean Democrat hired.
Detention based on suspicion, denunciation, or ideology (yup. Will detain people regardless of ability to prove citizenship. Literally detaining people at their immigration hearings).
If someone is captured at an immigration hearing—they are ILLEGAL.
No requirement for criminal charges (75% don't have criminal backgrounds according to ICEs own stats)
75% crossed illegally and 25% overstayed visas, if this is your argument. However, all are illegal and civil and criminal laws were broken BY ALL.
Indefinite detention common (El Salvador...)
If their own country won't take them back, do you want them released or killed?
Public uncertainty about rules and limits (1000%. I don't think police even understand if/when they can intercede).
So? Who care if random people don't know the law? Do you know how to make my incredible turkey breast for Thanksgiving?
Fear of sudden arrest discouraged dissent (in my opinion, that's their goal).
The only people being arrested are those doing something illegal. We have cameras, everywhere, even on bystander's phones. Do you think something wrong has happened and wasn't noted?
Psychological intimidation was intentional (reading the reports of what ICE says to people while they're detaining them, SAing them, beating them in handcuffs, making them eat off the floor like dogs...yeah. but proving intent is tedious and notoriously difficult to do, so id say no for now).
How is any of that different than the police of any city?
Encouraged civilians to report on neighbors (there's an ICE holine number to report people...).
We also encourage people to report to Crime Stoppers. Are you against that? In both cases, the people did illegal things.
Anonymous accusations often sufficient for arrest (haven't researched this exact data yet but happy to check.).
Crime Stoppers also keeps people anonymous who report. Who wants Tren De Aragua killing them for reporting them? Apparently, you do.
Fostered mistrust within communities (easy yes) Officers sometimes operated without clear identification (yup)
I am sure criminal communities feel violated.
Victims often couldn't identify who arrested them (yup) No meaningful mechanism to challenge abuse (yup) Physical coercion and torture while detained (we cant really say if this is the rule of thumb, but theres certainly a demonstrable trend: American Civil Liberties Union https://share.google/lke2HE41yZUptR2AA).
These people are illegals. They would have no abuse possible if they weren't here.
No legal protections for detainees (none that they're following...).
They are not citizens. They get no court appointed lawyer for immigration.
Confessions often extracted under duress (not sure that this fully applies here so I'll say no for now).
When they illegal claims they are another Jose Doe, with absolutely no valid documentation to back up anything, being left in detention until something valid comes out is needed. In prison, it's called Solitary Confinement.
Blurred law enforcement with military power (yup.).
There is no military ICE.
Civil policing merged with state violence (the actual structure of ice).
The structure of ICE is state violence? You are deluded.
Law served ideology, not justice (claiming to only get rid of the criminals...then detaining everyone regardless of criminal status or even legal status actually)
If multiple people are breaking the law—they should all be arrested.
Actions justified by “security” or “state necessity” (your commens alone prove this one correct)
Actions are justified because they are enforcing the Law.
Constitutional protections effectively meaningless (literally why people are actually so enraged and afraid) Officers rarely punished for abuses (lmao)
They are ILLEGALS. They do not have the privileges citizens get.
Internal discipline prioritized loyalty over legality (cant confirm or deny fairly).
Huh? 12 years of 0bama/Biden vs 5 years of Trump. What administration is responsible for that?
Victims had no effective legal recourse (trump literally has asked for judges to not hear immigration violation cases anymore).
The only “judges” immigration needs to have are immigration judges. No immigration judge is a real judge — they are all administrative with the DOJ as an employee, and always have been.
Powers justified by crisis narratives (yup).
There are zero new powers for ICE. They are implementing what Biden had.
“Temporary” emergency authority became permanent (trump just declared a state of emergency. So we shall see).
ICE has no emergency authority.
Normal legal limits suspended indefinitely (tbd).
What legal limits exist for crime and civil law breakage?
The ever-widening chasm in America is a spiritual problem. I’d guess 99.8% of Leftists are Godless, so that means anything goes.
Lying? It’s OK if it furthers the Leftist agenda.
Violence? It’s OK if it furthers the Leftist agenda.
Murder? It’s OK if it furthers the Leftist agenda.
Also, because Leftists are Godless, their life and beliefs are built on shifting sands, not a rock. That explains why they’re always so agitated. Trying to fill your God-shaped hole with anything OTHER than God will always leave you feeling empty and anxious.
Your question perfectly encapsulates the utter hypocrisy of the Left.
Here's another question along the same lines. Why aren't liberal women screaming from the mountaintop about men in women's sports? They fought long and hard - alongside conservative women - to have sports specifically for females. The answer is obvious, and, once again, it highlights the Left's hypocrisy.
Leftist politicos cannot be “elected” without the fraudulent mailin ballots — which depend upon illegals. So, they tell the simpletons who actually did vote for them that it is important that illegals be protected.
It is about power. That is it.
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