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Experts Say Democratic Video Not ‘Seditious,’ as Trump Claims
FactCheck.org® A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center ^ | 11/24/25 | D'Angelo Gore

Posted on 11/26/2025 10:09:26 AM PST by DallasBiff

After six congressional Democrats released a video advising members of the U.S. military and national security community to “refuse illegal orders,” President Donald Trump said the lawmakers should be tried in court for “SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!” But legal experts told us this was not sedition and that the legislators were restating the law that only lawful orders must be followed.

“Sedition is trying to overthrow the government with force or violence,” Eric R. Carpenter, a professor of law at Florida International University College of Law, said in an email to us. “In the video, the elected officials are just telling service members to follow the law. They are not telling service members to overthrow the government.”

The White House later said that Trump didn’t mean the Democrats should face the death penalty, but the press secretary argued that the video encouraged troops to defy the president.

Here, we cover what the lawmakers said, how Trump responded, and what legal experts have said about the video and the president’s claims.

(Excerpt) Read more at factcheck.org ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History
KEYWORDS: annenberg; democrats; ericcarpenter; ericrcarpenter; expertliars; experts; markkelly; military; sedition; subversion; undermining

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To: GrumpyOldGuy

“Experts” AKA rat hacks


21 posted on 11/26/2025 10:37:09 AM PST by iamgalt
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To: DallasBiff

Of course, the Democrats found unbiased ‘experts’ to support their position. Kinda like the neutral ‘fact checkers’ who always claim Orange Man Bad.


22 posted on 11/26/2025 10:37:41 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: trad_anglican
..any statement following the words “experts say” has zero credibility.

Bingo!

23 posted on 11/26/2025 10:37:46 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: DallasBiff

Are any of these so called “experts” military JAG officers?


24 posted on 11/26/2025 10:39:25 AM PST by lula (God is in control.)
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To: DallasBiff

Experts?


25 posted on 11/26/2025 10:39:33 AM PST by Savage Beast (When the student is ready, the teacher appears.)
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To: DallasBiff

Maybe they can run out and get 51 Signatures to agree.


26 posted on 11/26/2025 10:40:31 AM PST by theyreallthesame
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To: only1percent; Al

Exactly! It was done for PR to demonstrate how rabidly anti-Trump the six are to the crazies that are now the majority in Ratland. Rocketboy (Kelly) definitely had presidential ambitions its all to establish his “bona fides!’ as a possible Tier 1 Prez candidate. The others are angling for Tier 2 VP, the exception to some extent is Slotkin. Her ego is such she thinks she’s Tier 1 material certainly Tier 2. If they can provoke an over reaction by the administration. They will wrap themselves in the robes of martyrdom.


27 posted on 11/26/2025 10:40:41 AM PST by Reily
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To: Texas Eagle

Fact check: Article 94 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
​A person subject to the UCMJ is guilty of sedition if they:
​With intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, create, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority.
​Fail to do their utmost to prevent and suppress a sedition or mutiny being committed in their presence.


28 posted on 11/26/2025 10:43:09 AM PST by Eli Kopter (ביחד ננצח הלב שלנו שבוי בעזה Together we will win, our heart is captive in Gaza.)
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To: All

Don’t have to be from JAG.

Training is what it is. If they restated it, that is not sedition.

Worse, I suspect that as members of Congress, they can get their legal teams govt funded. So can’t even attack them with legal fees.


29 posted on 11/26/2025 10:43:12 AM PST by Owen
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To: DallasBiff

Who are the “experts?” Adam Schiff? Nanzi Pelousy? Lieawatha? Lynn Cheney? George W. Bush? Need I go on?


30 posted on 11/26/2025 10:43:24 AM PST by Shady (#EnoughIsEnough, and we have HAD ENOUGH!)
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To: Texas Eagle

....and fomenting rebellion...


31 posted on 11/26/2025 10:43:41 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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To: DallasBiff

Ok that’s fine, so the next time ANY Democrat has power, we will do the same thing and tell members of the military to NOT listen to ANYTHING that the President says, sound good or nah


32 posted on 11/26/2025 10:44:13 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: DallasBiff

So put them under oath.

“Has the President issued an illegal order to the military? And if so, what specific order has he issued that is illegal?”

“If the President has not issued any illegal order, then can you clarify your statement in the video and express to the troops that, given no illegal orders have been issued, that they should follow all orders as directed?”

Put them on the stand and stick them into a perjury trap.


33 posted on 11/26/2025 10:45:17 AM PST by cross_bearer_02
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To: DallasBiff

Same “experts” that denied illegal immigrants were in the country, supported human-caused “climate change”, and actually think that men can have babies?


34 posted on 11/26/2025 10:45:24 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: DallasBiff

“No Kings!”
“Trump is a fascist dictator!”
“Killing narco-terrorists without Congress’ sign off is illegal!”
“ICE are gestapo...”

“Don’t follow illegal orders.”

Sure... You cannot hate the Left enough because they sure as shit hate you.


35 posted on 11/26/2025 10:45:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: DallasBiff
Sedition is only germaine to wanting to take Democrats out of office. I dislike the Democrat Party so much that no words exist in the English language to describe it. They have in their official capacities as school administrators, Fedreal agency supervisors and some private sector supervisors removed me from many jobs soley for my conservstive commentary.

They did not have the backbone to kill me like that deranged, completely mentally ill, violence-influenced by Democrats Tyler Robinson did motivating him to kill Charlie Kirk. If only I could attain to a position of authority to bring just retribution to them for what they have done to thousands of people like me.

One day (or series of days), this nation is going to fall to China. We've turned our backs on God and He will not be mocked. If these radicals are not crushed now (right now), God will give us into the hands of the Chinese (aided by Mexico). Almost all Americans have absolutely no clue how horrible that would be. No idea at all.

36 posted on 11/26/2025 10:47:56 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: DallasBiff
After the "expert" opinions on the "Russia" hoax, the "fine people" hoax, the "suckers and losers" hoax, the "inject bleach" hoax, the "Zelensky phone call" hoax, the "Hunter Biden laptop" hoax, the "Biden is sharp as he's ever been" hoax, the "Fordow survived bombing" hoax...

I don't believe anything the LAAP-dog media says the "experts" tell us.

I'm not falling for the "Experts say" hoax.

-PJ

37 posted on 11/26/2025 10:47:59 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Tucsonican

Taken as just itself, the video is nothing.

Taken with EVERYTHING else they’ve said and done about conservatives, and Trump in general, it’s as seditious and treasonous as it gets...

Nazi. Fascist. Gestapo. Extra-Constitutional killings. Felon. No Kings.

It’s clever, I’ll give them that. Considering some of them are CIA with “Games and theory” experience... this is not a surprise.


38 posted on 11/26/2025 10:50:00 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: DallasBiff

“In the video, the elected officials are just telling service members to follow the law. They are not telling service members to overthrow the government.”

That statement is a deception.

They were telling service members to defy Trump’s orders which violates the military code, and that one pertains to Kelly and that is the grounds to court martial his sorry ass. That part of the code says nothing about overthrowing the government.

Also, why did not Kelly stand up for the thousands of servicemen kicked out for not taking the jab based on their understanding it was an unlawful order?


39 posted on 11/26/2025 10:51:55 AM PST by odawg
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To: Owen

“Training is what it is. If they restated it, that is not sedition.”

Then why is what they [Kelly] did specified in the military code as grounds for action?


40 posted on 11/26/2025 10:54:54 AM PST by odawg
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