Posted on 11/11/2025 8:58:42 AM PST by Openurmind
The Political Landscape has Become Confusing. I’ve been noticing a divergence among “the right” since the ‘oughts. I never bothered to build a taxonomy for it, but somebody else has. Such might be useful—at least as a rudimentary model to be refined.
Since I began working on my upcoming graphic novel, I’ve listened to a lot of podcasts while adjusting line art, coloring and shading. Within the last week or so, I’ve discovered Nick Freitas. His podcasts have been enjoyable partly because his co-hosts have offered takes just as interesting as his, if not more so. When I heard them break “the right” down into three categories, I realized their analysis might have educational value for those who want to make sense of our convoluted state of politics right now.
So what is “the right wing” and why do I keep putting it in quotation marks?
Before the left-right political spectrum got inverted by leftist teachers, professors, politicians, pundits, etc., it was a useful scale to determine how much a party valued liberty or control. If you thought absolute state control over everything and everyone was the way to run a country (or the world), you were on the extreme left wing. Anarchists, who want no limitations whatsoever on anybody or anything, were on the extreme right wing. More moderate outlooks placed you somewhere between those extremes.
The original spectrum was problematic for leftists, because by 1945 the international consensus on their former Time Magazine “Man of the Year,” Adolf Hitler, was that he was the ultimate WOAT (Worst of All-Time).
Socialists never admit what they are or what they intend to do when their rise to power is unsure. They also receive help from propagandists disguising their worldview and intentions. It’s only natural they would seek to obscure their ideological connection to the National Socialists of Germany, Fascists of Italy, and “Imperialists” of Japan. Hence Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo were transformed into “right-wing” figures by the aforementioned professional deceivers, because Hitler, especially, became Mephistopheles in the mandatory postwar mythology.
So, first, here’s how Freitas breaks it down:
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Terrific word salad ... I guess you have to be in the right social class to under stand it.
Is there really a sharp line between the first two groups? What those groups want to “conserve” is something that resembles the world they grew up in. Inevitably, some people who were liberal or on the left join in as the world they grew up in disappears.
“Traditional conservative” also has a meaning of its own that’s narrower than he wants to give it. It may be that there are three or four types of conservatives or rightists, but the author’s take isn’t any better than other people’s.
I didn’t read all of the gobbledy-gook in this article, but I tend to divide the “right wing” into:
1. Country club Republicans (These tend to align with Democrats on many issues.)
2. Populists (These tend to follow an individual more closely than a specific ideology. Many Trump followers are populists.)
3. Conservatives (There are various branches of conservatism, including fiscal, social, second amendment, foreign policy, etc.)
I classify myself as a conservative, with emphasis on social conservatism.
Read it, there is truth in it about our “Representatives” who do not actually play the part.
1) The big money crowd,
2) neocons,
both of which happily despise, exploit and flip the finger to the third party,
3) normal old-fashioned “legacy Americans”.
It was indeed a terrific word salad, filled with lots of newly-invented terms, and re-definitions of words whose words you thought were already established.
Even among conservatism, I think there are varying degrees between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism. I tend to be more fiscally conservative than socially conservative, which puts me at odds with some within the Right.
But, I'm not really uncomfortable with it so much because I understand that those I disagree with have solid reasoning.
I kind of look at the Country Club Republicans to be similar to their Democrat counterparts, who are the old, fashioned liberals. That's why they got along so well in the 60's and 70's.
I agree - I haven’t the slightest idea what it’s about. I was lost in the third sentence...stopped reading - way over my head! Anything that convoluted doesn’t deserve a minute of our already overtaxed brains and I’m not talking $$$$.
“”Read it, there is truth in it about our “Representatives” who do not actually play the part.””
Believe it or not, there ARE more pressing matters in our lives than that....
It takes a lot of work for the Deep State/Intelligence Community to sustain their deniability of obvious evidence of government misdeeds, both Federal and state, during the past 17 years. The FBI, the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, the EPA, the FCC, the USDA, the Department of Energy, the Department of State, even the Federal judiciary — all of these agencies put enormous effort into their claims of deniability over every thing under their purview, ever since Inauguration Day for Barack Obama.
Nobody could possibly be so abysmally stupid and ignorant of what they are charged with knowing and taking action on. Recent revelations about the so-called pipe bomber of January 5, 2021, suggesting she was a known Capitol Police officer who is now safely snuggled into the CIA, have remained deeply buried in the bowels of the FBI and the CIA since spring 2021.
Weaponized FISA Court corruption and violation of the law was allowed to grow beyond belief and destroy all credibility of the Federal judiciary, and absolutely nothing has been done to clean it up [that I have seen]. Election integrity issues since 2020 are obvious in a dozen states. The blatant criminality of the Obama DOJ under Criminal General Eric Holder have been denied at great effort for all these years.
The entire January 6 fiasco has been hidden and obstructed continuously since the Biden Department of Justice and the Democrat Congressional committee began destroying citizens’ lives over “offenses” which had no factual or legal basis. With crucial evidence now destroyed, nobody knows nothin’ about nothin’.
Anybody who has expectations that these Deep State/Intelligence Community agencies will suddenly come clean, now that President Trump has appointed his cabinet officers, is in a dream world. The Leviathan is just too big, too deep, too powerful, too entrenched, too resistant to outside forces, ever to be reformed from the outside. There is a century’s worth of corruption, deceit, criminal behavior, and guilt that can probably never be unearthed.
Slay the dragon, or live with him forever.
GUY MILLER
Agreed that the article was awful.
The best place to start is to list twenty or thirty or so “key issues” and then have a grid that shows where different folks who claim to be “conservative” stand.
If you get the issue list in decent shape the differences should start to become clear.
I’m glad this article addresses the Monarchists -
Overall it makes a lot of sense though I think the categories are broken up in a funky way.
Starting from the beginning of these thoughts, I just don’t know if we can properly identify “who is right wing” unless we identify who or what is in “the center”.
I always say the U.S. Constitution is in the center, if we are to use a left-right spectrum at all. As such, I don’t think people who are fond of the U.S. Founding Fathers are right wing at all.
The Constitution, the Founders, and people of the Founding principle: That’s the center and these are centrists.
That said, it seems clear that big government types: Monarchists, fake democrats in hiding and lastly the massive/big-government racialists like Fuentes are the right wingers.
Yes, there is definitively a sharp line.
The dividing line is the size and scope of the federal government. Some people want dominating government issuing diktats people can’t refuse, others want to restore the U.S. Constitution to its rightful place.
Excellent statement from someone who obviously has thinking skills and understanding way above average. Is is refreshing to see for a change...
“The dividing line is the size and scope of the federal government. Some people want dominating government issuing diktats people can’t refuse, others want to restore the U.S. Constitution to its rightful place.”
Well stated, I absolutely agree.
That is what his third group believes. The first and second groups (ex-liberals and DC conservatives) aren’t that different from what I can tell.
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