Posted on 11/09/2025 6:23:03 AM PST by dpetty121263
So can anyone point out the existing GOP Healthcare plans? I saw a report from Trump's intercircle saying Trump has no real interest in a fundamental Healthcare plan as it steps on too many toes of this wealthy friends. Trump dabbles around the edges but nothing concrete.
The vote has happened 14 times. Removing the subsidies and removing illegals off the ACA will destroy the ACA.
I have to reply just to let you know that your response was so convoluted I have no earthly idea of what you were trying to convey. đ
What was the purpose of Obamacare? What was the result?
There was Obamacare before Covid...and Obamacare during and after Covid which is what now exists. Millions more got the subsidies during and after Coved and that "plan" continues. Even the very rich can latch on to the subsidies.
I have a quick and easy one. Remove the contribution limit for an HSA. My premiums are set to go to about 50K/year. I rather just put that into an HSA than pay some insurance company for some theoretical coverage.
Apparently, you are too young and too uninterested in facts to remember/research the ObamaCare debate.
Go away.
Health insurers have never had it so good. Their stocks are up more than 1,000 percent since Obamacare passed, and they now receive roughly a trillion dollars per year in federal subsidies.
With that much taxpayer money at stake, politics inevitably follows the cashâand lately, the industry has taken a hard-left turn.
Breitbart 11/9/25
In the last presidential campaign, insurers gave five times more to Kamala Harris than to Donald Trump. Blue Shield of California donated $500,000 and UnitedHealth donated $75,000 to Gov. Gavin Newsomâs ballot measure effort, Prop. 50, which could hand Democrats, and health insurers, as many as five additional seats in Congress. Newsomâs Prop. 50 won last week, increasing the chances of Democrats retaking the House and enacting their radical agenda, which includes impeaching President Donald Trump.
Obamacare has to be axed before any monets are mad.
Repeal is the only safeguard, and not even Heritage Foundation's "Conservative Promise" - is seeking to do this.
Republicans have the power now to at least attempt a repeal. But they won't. NO ONE - has the guts to try. And that is very sad.
It's surprising that the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 Mandate for Leadership - The Conservative Promise (920 pages), has only seven paragraphs on the ACA, p 469-470. No call for repeal. Which is interesting, since HF has spent a lot of bandwidth for many years calling for repeal.
The best idea they have in the P2025 document:
Separate the subsidized ACA exchange market from the non- subsidized insurance market.
The Affordable Care Act has made insurance more expensive and less competitive, and the ACA subsidy scheme simply masks these impacts. To make health insurance coverage more affordable for those who are without government subsidies, CMS should develop a plan to separate the non-subsidized insurance market from the subsidized market, giving the non-subsidized market regulatory relief from the costly ACA regulatory mandates.
Keeping in mind that the individual mandate passed constitutional muster; although the tax penalty was eliminated in 2017, the mandate remains. Depending on how future political winds flow, the penalty could rear its ugly head again.
That's why repeal is the only safeguard.
The gov’t has two legitimate economic functions: 1) providing social overhead capital (those things society deems necessaryr but the market won’t provide, like a public highway system), and 2) the policing of property rights, like a police force and a standing military. So, yes, the military is a service the gov’t should provide. However, things like SBA, student loans, Amtrac, etc. should not be a gov’t activity.
Obamacare destroyed the small/mid size insurance industry by mandating everything needing treatment, etc. The reason those idiots celebrated Luigi stems from the uber-huge insurance companies Obamacare created.
Those are there to minimize graft, corruption, and administration. Instead of removing the rules and regulations, how about removing all of it—just get rid of the ACA. Then the rules and regulations don’t matter.
I agree with you. The only answer is to nuke the filibuster. Caving to democrats is plain foolish because they will filibuster again next time and create the same problem.
Unfortunately, the politically powerful health care insurance industry enjoys limited federal oversight and little in the way of judicial check. Health care insurers today thus often short patients and doctors through contract terms and bureaucratic evasions and manipulations that regulators and courts are powerless to remedy. Get screwed by a health care insurer and you can do little about it except to ask them to reconsider.
As it is, health insurance execs are now so unpopular that when one is gunned down on the street, his killer becomes for many a folk hero of sorts. There is one kind of government intervention that the health insurance industry carves: protect us against our angry customers and the public at large.
Obamacare is a corrupt toxic waste dump of a welfare program filled with fraud and abuse. It can’t be reformed. I like Trump’s idea of payments directly to potential recipients. They would to have to meet a low income level above medicare say 50-100k.
This country was founded on the principles of self-determination.
IOW, equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
Today is your whiney day I take it? Tell us what you need and maybe we can do a GoFundMe for you
But some illnesses can reduce a six-figure income to public assistance in just a few years. Not to mention the working poor.
There are so many reasons unconstitutional govât healthcare should be abolished.
Here is a sampling of reasons:
1) Govât takeover of healthcare is unconstitutional and, thus, illegal. Nowhere does the Constitution delegate power to the feds to meddle in healthcare.
2) See 1)
3) Govât healthcare puts your individual healthcare in the hands of distant, indifferent, and non-medial D.C. bureaucrats and politicians who of course as middlemen must be paid and, thus, increasing the cost of healthcare. The HHS bureaucracy has a budget of $1 trillion.
4) The highest quality, most affordable, and most available healthcare in the world is what we had in the voluntary cooperation DIRECTLY between doctor and patient before the govât muscled in in the 50âs and 60âs with its âhelping handâ hand out and a hammer behind his back! As Ronald Reagan said, âThe nine most terrifying words in the English language are: âIâm from the Government, and Iâm here to helpââ.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4350455/posts?page=1
5) Govât hammer? What hammer? Forced vaccines, forced abortions, forced treatment all by distant politicians and bureaucrats who are not medical experts and do not know you personally.
6) Govât agenda vs. your own personal agenda. Who cares more about your health? You? Or some distant politician and bureaucrat who doesnât know you from Adam and frankly couldnât care less about you personally?
7) No one cares more about your health than you. Why in the world would you take your personal healthcare and your personal choices in the self interest of your health and wellbeing out of the hands of the DIRECT relationship between you and the doctor of your choosing who knows and cares about you, and instead put your healthcare in the hands govât politicians and bureaucrats who donât know you, have the power to force you to do what they want, and who have their own agenda which includes âcullingâ the âoverpopulationâ - so govât has a bias toward death.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4350451/posts
8) âHealthcareâ availability based on govât budgeting â a potential disaster. Long lines and long waiting time for procedures immediately available under free market healthcare directly between doctor and patient.
Ongoing government shutdown hinders healthcare providers during flu season
9) That is a short list. Thereâs more but why would anyone need more reasons? NUKE UNCONSTITUTIONAL GOVâT HEALTHCARE!!!
You mean the one offered several weeks ago that democrats turned down?
Consumer directed HSA accounts would change the outcome for people who are saddled with debt from ACA accounts that cost a lot and have high deductibles for every day healthcare needs.
But high deductible catastrophic health plans must also be mandated for if/when there is an event (cancer/car accident) where costs soar into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
In the âold daysâ when doctor visits were $15 TOTAL (not copay) you could buy catastrophic health plans for super cheap.
Having catastrophic coverage along with HSAâs would ensure people had a solid umbrella of protection for their health care needs.
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