Posted on 11/06/2025 6:34:43 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
The Nuremberg trials have inspired filmmakers before…
But for the latest take, “Nuremberg,” writer-director James Vanderbilt focuses on a lesser-known figure: The U.S. Army psychiatrist Douglas Kelley, who after the war was assigned to supervise and evaluate captured Nazi leaders to ensure they were fit for trial (and also keep them alive). But his is a name that had been largely forgotten: He wasn’t even a character in the miniseries.
Kelley, portrayed in the film by Rami Malek, was an ambitious sort who saw in this assignment an opportunity to write a book (bestselling, he hoped) on his findings about the men who committed such atrocities. Over several months he conducted many hours interviews and Rorschach tests with the inmates, including fallen Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering (Russell Crowe), who proved an especially fascinating subject as the highest ranking official still living.
The film, in theaters Friday, centers on a series of conversations between Kelley and Goering, who develop something almost like a friendship — or at least a temporary understanding. It’s interesting…but it can’t quite synthesize its classical form with the bleak, sobering truths at its core.
Crowe, who speaks both German and English in the film, is well suited to playing this charismatic, larger-than-life egoist who believes he can outwit those around him.
Malek, wild-eyed as ever, portrays Kelley as an overconfident opportunist who is more than willing to cross lines to gain Goering’s trust. Are we rooting for him, though? Not exactly.
What does it say about a nearly two-and-a-half hour drama when the 80-year-old footage from inside Nazi concentration camps that was shown inside the real courtroom is the most compelling and memorable sequence? Perhaps in these days of Holocaust denial, it’s never a bad idea to remind people of the truth…
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I hope not.
The one that I think should not have been hanged was Julius Streicher. He was killed for his words, not his actions, even though he may have been the most despicable of the lot.
The Allies really wanted to get their hands on Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels. But he committed suicide first.
I suppose the relatively minor propagandist Julius Streicher was the stand-in.
I dunno. If I were a Nuremberg judge, I might have flipped a coin with that guy. As you noted, he was despicable. And he did play a part ginning up hatred of the Jews.
So heads, the noose. Tails, 30 years.
I also felt the same about Lord Haw Haw, he should have gotten 20 years, but not the hangman’s noose, I just don’t like the precedent it set.
I was injured while playing rugby at Cypress College in California, so I went to the school doctor. We started talking, and it turned out that he had been in Germany as a doctor at the Nuremberg war trials. He told me he was the Doctor Who pronounced Herman Goering dead.
I wish we had more time to talk.
given his toothbrush mustache, moe was born for the role ...
Another one?
Theory #1: Goering hid a suicide pill in a roll of fat (he was rather obese).
Theory #2: A sympathetic American retrieved the pill from Goering’s luggage, and then gave it to him.
It would have been very interesting to hear what that doctor had to say.
> given his toothbrush mustache, moe was born for the role <
I once met Moe, and had a brief conversation with him.
Nice guy. He wasn’t like Hitler at all!
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Marking.
Goering lost a lot of weight before the trial.
> Goering lost a lot of weight before the trial. <
Yes he did. And without a ready supply of drugs, he was the crafty and sly Hermann Goering of old. But he did have rolls of flab from that weight loss. That’s where the theory of his hiding of the suicide pill came from.
Anyway, it’s a shame the Soviets did not capture and try Goering. I doubt if they would have been as careless as the Americans were.
Was ilsa koch, the bitch of brechenwald aas she was known in the movie? She stood trial for war crimes- what a monster that woman was. Saw a codumentary on her and other monsters with video footage of the camps, and the massive pits they dug to throw their victims in, some still alive, to be buried over... after they had been robbed of jewelry, hair, teeth, and even skin that she had lampshades made out of.
But I read the article veeeeery carefully, and nowhere did it mention who they got to play Babe Ruth.
In new york 84% of gen z women voted for the communist, while almost that amount of young 18-29 year olds in general voted for him too.
One device Robert H. Jackson, who was the chief prosecutor, used early on was the shrunken head of one of the victims. Throughout the trials the judges had to look at the head displayed before them.
The Soviets wanted Speer dead and were not happy that his life was spared to serve out a sentence.
It sounds craptacular.
On this I agreed with the Soviets.
This will be an unpopular opinion, but the agitprop here is rich. Though there has been a steady constant drumbeat of Holocaust/ Israeli foundational narratives for some decades- of variable to dubious accuracy- as the scale of the evil of the Gaza War (collective guilt and indiscriminate war crimes of every type) becomes apparent and increasingly unpopular- the Zionist community delivers another sneering, guilt laden drama. Tiresome, as are the various October 7 docudramas which all seem to have come up at the same time- i don’t care to watch fiction when one could see the truth play out in real time. There is a very real reason Tucker, Fuentes, etc. have gained prominence, and that reason is not the inherent goodness of Zionism, nor its positive results for America (slim to none- the quixotic support of the ethnostate is an ongoing net negative for every singular-loyalty American). Zohran Mahdani is undoubtedly a hard socialist/ soft communist, but I see little practical evidence he is either an Islamist nor an anti-Semite (though that term has been hijacked); at any rate there’s minimal distinction etween him and, say, Randy Fine, both are foreigners who discredit their host nation with their ancient tribal loyalties. At any rate, the simplistic historiography of WW2 in this country is exhausting. Pedagogy drank deeply of the Kool Aid.
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