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A founding father from 1517
1 posted on 10/31/2025 10:29:22 AM PDT by sopo
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To: sopo

I do not see anythingin the passage that provides evidence that M.L. Luther created America. Amerigo Vespucci was already dead for five years, and it is named after him.


2 posted on 10/31/2025 10:32:27 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: sopo

Definitely true. Protestant Reformation shaped our founders more profoundly than the Enlightenment — which is what spurred the French Revolution.

Martin Luther had some skeletons though…Anti Semitism being one.


4 posted on 10/31/2025 10:41:08 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: sopo

All revolutions end in failure and resultant tyranny. The reason the American Revolution did not end in failure is because it was not a revolution; it was a reformation, an attempt to make the Crown return to the republic-an method of governance.

Like the Lutheran Reformation, the result was a split and independence, where the Lutheran church became what the Catholic church could have been, and the United States became what the British government in the colonies could have been.


6 posted on 10/31/2025 10:45:12 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: sopo
Thanks for posting. I never thought of Luther's 95 Theses like that. Very insightful of Horowitz.

"Luther may not have intended the full freedom to which his proclamation led, but he had loosed the idea upon the world, and the world responded by making it the cornerstone of Protestant belief."

8 posted on 10/31/2025 10:48:08 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: sopo

GOD derectly inspired the creation of the USA. USA history begins on July.4t,1776.


17 posted on 10/31/2025 11:26:04 AM PDT by cowboyusa ( YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: sopo

A little off topic, but this reminded me of one of my all time favorite movies, that you probably never heard of, Black Robe.

“Set in 1634, this film follows the travels of Father LaForgue (Lothaire Bluteau), a Jesuit priest called upon to search for a remote Canadian mission surrounded by Huron settlements. LaForgue, guided by a group of distrustful yet kind Algonquin natives, embarks on a trek across unfamiliar and treacherous terrain. The young priest’s small party fends off the vicious attacks of the Iroquois tribe before finally reaching their destination. There, LaForgue finds the mission in a tragic state.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+robe+movie&ie=UTF-8


34 posted on 10/31/2025 12:44:43 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: sopo

Funny Horowitz likes Luther’s line about the Pope being so fabulously wealthy that he should fund the Vatican.”

The main cause for which the Catholic Church was raising funds during Luther’s time was the defense of Christendom against the Muslim horde. Luther, that founding father that he was, thought the Muslim invaders were just wonderful, cheering them on. He only opposed the Islamic horde when they approached Germany.

If one is to claim, however, that America represents more Luther’s theology, one only needs to study St. Thomas Aquinas, whose treatises on Natural Law were widely cited by the founding fathers. Whereas Luther taught that the common Man was worthless in the eyes of God, “born to be mere cannon fodder,” Aquinas taught that every life was equally sacred to Christ and thus entitled to full access to the protection of law regardless of worldly station.

(That is, the Catholic Church held that although a King who acts as a godly protector of his people exercises valid authority over his subjects, his eternal soul is as cherished by Christ. In Summa Theologica, Thomas Aquinas, named “the angelic doctor” by the Church for such teachings, argues that the best form of government is a just, elected (!!!), Christian protector king, whose polity is governed by elected ministers; and that when a king does not act for his kingdom as Christ did for the Church (that is, laying down his life for it), but rather acts manifestly sinfully and unjustly, the people retain the right to overthrow their king and govern themselves, electing ministers.)

What does this sound like?

(I would argue that inasmuch as the kingship is elected bestowed by election rather than by inheritance, he’s describing something more akin to a President, except for the lack of limited terms. Still, not a bad description of a presidency for AD 1225!)


39 posted on 10/31/2025 1:14:41 PM PDT by dangus
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To: sopo

There is not a single seed of an act that founded the idea for United States, but a series of acts over time that collectively led to it. One could credit Luther for an initial step in the Reformation, but many other events - with no assurance they would happen or succeed, took place between Luther and 1776, and Luther cannot take credit for them, beyond his own contribution to some ideas taken in by the United States founding generation.


47 posted on 10/31/2025 2:30:28 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: sopo

This would be news to Queen Isabella of Spain.


50 posted on 10/31/2025 2:59:21 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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