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To: sopo

Definitely true. Protestant Reformation shaped our founders more profoundly than the Enlightenment — which is what spurred the French Revolution.

Martin Luther had some skeletons though…Anti Semitism being one.


4 posted on 10/31/2025 10:41:08 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

ready for you on that, again , Horowitz:Consider David Horwitz in “America Betrayed” “ How A Christian Monk Created America’— the dust jacket quote from Charlie Kirk ‘ David Horowitz is a modern legend”
page 17:
Re Luther’s hatred of the Jews:”I hated Luther for this screed. I hated him for his hatred. I hated him on behalf of my fellow Jews who perished in the Holocaust, and I hated him for the seeds he planted of Holocausts to come.”
If you had told me then or for half a century afterwards that I would come to see another side of this famous monk and his achievements; if you told me I would come to understand him in a way that would put me forever in awe of what he had accomplished, and cause me to appreciate how he had made life better for everyone who lived under the canopy of his ideas better-including and especially my persecuted tribe-how he made them freer, safer and more at home in the world; if you had told me in my twenties I would come to see him as one of freedom’s greatest heroes, I would have laughed and said:you are mad.

Martin Luther’s genocidal hatred of Jews is a lesson that believers are not immune from human sin—from redirecting their mission to the service of evil....

Page 21: To a man and woman, those of us who broke free from these Utopian delusions came to understand that the corrupter of the world was not socity; patriarchy; or race. It was us.

These truths are encapsulated in the most humbling and liberating Lutheran doctrine of all: Justification by Faith. This phrase encapsulates the belief that one cannot earn a place in heaven by good works because there is not a soul among us who deserves to be saved. We are selfish and self-centered; greedy and deceitful, malicious and cruel. Therefore, if we are to saved a all ,it can only be by divine grace. This was the idea that Martin Luther put front and center in his thoughts about the human condition. The idea itself was not orignal with him. It was central to being a Christian. Yet it was denied by the Roman Church’s offer of indulgences as a means to salvation. This was the devil in the detail that set Luther on his revolutionary course. An institution, like the Church, created by mere mortals , could have no authority to decide who should or should not be saved. Salvation could be achieved by faith and God’s grace alone.

To Christians, belief in a savior who died on a cross to pay for mankind’s sins was the only possible path to redemption:”For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. it is not from yourself or anything you’ve done, but the gift of God. “ Ephesians 2:8-9


7 posted on 10/31/2025 10:46:10 AM PDT by sopo
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I am so sick of the word antisemitism. If you hate on the Muslim hordes, guess what YOU are antisemitic. They are indeed children of the same bloodlines as the so called holy jews. Who if they are truly of the tribe of Judah, where are their missing brothers? How many others were of the Tribes of Hebrews, of which one was Judah?


55 posted on 10/31/2025 4:48:34 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts
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