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How a Christian monk created America
America Betrayed Final Battle Books, David Horowitz, 2024 | 2024 | David Horowitz

Posted on 10/31/2025 10:29:22 AM PDT by sopo

In 1517, in the famous act of defiance that launched the Protestant Reformation, Luther nailed his “95 theses” on indulgences to the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg. Among them was this devastating question: ” 82. Why does not the pope, whose wealth is today greater than the wealth of the richest Croesus, build this one basilica of St. Peter with his own money rather than with the money of poor believers ?”

In exposing the empty claims of the church to be God’s authority on earth, Luther challenged the entire hierarchy responsible for exploiting Catholic believers. In his Address to the Nobility of the German Nation, which was published in 1520, Luther proclaimed this revolutionary idea: “we are all consecrated as priests through baptism, as St. Peter says in Peter 2: “you are a royal priesthood, and a priestly kingdom.””

Thus did the “priesthood of all believers” become the central liberating doctrine of the Protestant Reformation. It established a spiritual equality between believers by declaring that the relationship to God would no longer be mediated by a priesthood or a pope or the Holy Roman Empire; no longer by mere mortals elevated above them with the power to determine their eternal fate. By declaring all believers equal, Luther had transferred spiritual power to the people themselves.

This was heresy, and on January 3 1521, Luther was excommunicated by the Catholic Church. Five months later, the German monk was summoned to the Diet of Worms where the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V presided. At the Diet, Luther was called to recant his beliefs or be burned at the stake. He refused. This was his answer: “my conscience is captive to the Word of God. Thus, I cannot and will not recant, for going against conscience is neither safe nor salutary. I can do no other, here I stand, God help me. Amen”

“My conscience is captive to the Word of God.” It was a declaration of individual freedom that would resound through the annals of very struggle for freedom in the centuries to come. Every individual’s freedom of conscience was an assertion of independence from temporal power. An unalienable right to think and speak freely, which derives from the individual’s inviolable relation to their creator-beyond the reach of the church or state, or any institution created by mortal beings. No man or woman was bound to surrender their freedom of conscience to others seeking to coerce them into service of a rival belief. Luther may not have intended the full freedom to which his proclamation led, but he had loosed the idea upon the world, and the world responded by making it the cornerstone of Protestant belief. Pp28-29


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KEYWORDS: 95theses; anticatholicgarbage; historicalignorance; luther
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To: odawg
The main concern of Martin Luther, or one of the main concerns, was the selling of indulgences by the Church.

That was his original pivot point. It got pretty far away from that pretty quickly. The Council of Trent dealt with that (far too late, admittedly), and simony was always a sin, even if often tolerated.
21 posted on 10/31/2025 11:44:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: Dr. Sivana

Yes, but it gets clicks.


22 posted on 10/31/2025 11:48:46 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: odawg

See the thing is, though, Martin Luther’s original gripe wasn’t with the sale of indulgences per se but rather with the fact the *Dominicans* were given (by Pope Leo X and Archbishop Albrecht of Mainz) the franchise to sell the indulgences to fund the renovation of St. Peter’s Basilica . Luther was peeved that his own Augustinian order didn’t have the gig.


23 posted on 10/31/2025 11:51:18 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Dr. Sivana

There are places named Luther in at least 4 states, all of them quite small, only one with over 1,000 people.


24 posted on 10/31/2025 11:54:48 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Tell It Right

I think Horowitz-s testimony is remarkable on all of this, an outsider to Christianity who examined the controversies over decades.


25 posted on 10/31/2025 11:55:22 AM PDT by sopo
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To: Dr. Sivana

Thank God the Reformation, flawed as some of its adherents were, blocked the King of Spain from extending hegemony to the north. That’s a dispositive statement.,


26 posted on 10/31/2025 11:59:20 AM PDT by sopo
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To: sopo
Agreed. And Horowitz didn't explicitly say it, but the American founding occurred during the 1st Great Awakening. Our largely Protestant culture (thus pointing it out on Oct 31) was second guessing the King's church (Anglican) in many ways like the Protestant's in the 16th century tried to reform the RCC.

And it's important to not let the "us vs them" mentality get bogged down into denominational fanboy thinking (us Protestants vs Catholics, or us evangelical Protestants vs Anglicans). It really comes down to us Christians who want to do things right with God and by God, vs church leaders at the time who had gotten too control-freak for personal gain at the expense of defaming God.

Only with that kind of mindset can each of us try to reform our own church leaders. Imagine right-minded Catholics fussing more at the problems in the RCC, and right-minded Protestants fussing more at problems in the hedonist "high church" Protestant churches, way way more than good minding Catholics and good minded Protestants fighting each other.

Wash, rinse, repeat with the spiritual warfare taking place in the political class. The Dims truly operate way more like a cult than a political party, pushing their hedonism, race baiting, doomsday warmageddon, and child sacrifice abortion more than they do actual political policies like tax policies and road maintenance, etc.

27 posted on 10/31/2025 12:09:29 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

PS, I forgot my other major ancestral line: Huguenots. Like my G-G-Grandma.

All of us heretics were dancin’ in the woods of Virginia and the Carolinas back 300 years ago. Finally free of Rome and even London! Still hard to govern these three centuries later.

But keep tryin’ bubba! I remember Arizona when it was mostly WASPy. Nice place back then, pretty much no corruption. Then we got Judge Castro as the gov, which he was eminently un-qualified for. Nice guy though. Friend of the family an’ all that. But it only got worse from there: Louis Grijalva, just another dirty barefoot Indio from Magdalena grabbed hold of the “Ceevil Rights Por Los Chicanos” movement and spent his whole life jumpin’ up and down screaming “dees ees ahr lahnd, el papa, he geev eet to us!” and then he croaked from cirhossis of the liver or something...and of course they put up his moron daughter to take his place. How very Catolico of them! Monarchial Nepotism! Forget qualifications - mob rule is better!

And of course, that brought you to Kartel Katie, Adrian Fontes (el abogado de cartel Sinaloa) and the nauseating Kris Mayes, who is some sort of sacrifice to the sex deviant Left.

Real accomplishments of your “church” there. Used to have decent ofays like Jack Williams, Barry Goldwater, Jon Kyl, or even a Mormon dork like Jeff the Flake. Gosh, ain’t it all great now? Mexo/Irish Catholics and LGBT enforcers. Real Arizonans!


28 posted on 10/31/2025 12:17:32 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Regulator
If you think my ancestors - Baptist Dunkards, English Anglicans, Scots-Irish Presbyterians, English Methodists were fighting for a Restoration of Papal Supremacy, you’re nuts.

Strawman. I never claimed anything about Papal Supremacy in the U.S. I stated that the U.S. system was not based on lutheranism. England had been Catholic without being part of the Holy Roman Empire, as was France.

The Revolution was about restoring the Rights of Englishmen which George III had abrogated with his corrupt treatment of pretty much everyone.

Agreed. And Martin Luther had nothing to do with it.



And the US Constitution is not supposed to be a recitation of the Common Law, which is based on the Feud.

I never said it was a recitation of Common Law, but that more elements of Common Law and the Magna Carta (as well as Greco-Roman law) were moreconstituent elements. There is nothing in Common Law that requires it to be tied to feudalism. France was feudal (which was a big step up from Roman-era slavery) but had no Common Law.

For the record, St. Thomas Aquinas (12th Century), the western Church's top-ranked theologian argued against an absolute divine right of kings, as tyrants could be resisted. A number of Protestant rulers did hold for an absolute Divine Right of Kings, and had no Church authority to check them. (That is more the aftermath of Henry VIII than Lutheranism) Now, it is biblical that kings and other rulers have to answer to God, and that they have power only because God allows it, even for bad kings (cf. John 19:11). Catholic Kings had also tried to create an 8th Sacrament, The Anointing of the King. Whic is a ceremony, but not a Sacrament, and the Church resisted that pressure.

Your attacks on the Church based on the evil acts of Cardinals is off-point. One, Our Lord warned us this would be a problem, and that goes back to Judas. Two, while rejecting the heresy of Donatism, we have always known that there will be wicked priests, bishops, and even popes.

“The road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path.” (St. John Chrysostom, 4th century)

“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops” (St. Athanaius, 4th century, hero in the fight against the Arian heresy)

Our Lord Himself, told the Jews to obey the Pharisees, even though they were evil, "Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. 3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not." (St. Matthew, 23:2-3)

In any event, all your arguments do not put forward the idea that America was a development from Luther. Minimizing the Catholic influence on the England that colonized North America is not the same as saying that Luther was the root of it all. Roman-Greco and Calvinist thought are more essential elements.
29 posted on 10/31/2025 12:20:06 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: sopo
Thank God the Reformation, flawed as some of its adherents were, blocked the King of Spain from extending hegemony to the north.

The Kings of France and England, even before Luther, weren't exactly inviting hegemony. We should thank Spain for fighting the Muslims for 600 years to regain control of Spain and for funding the great Christopher Columbus's voyages.


30 posted on 10/31/2025 12:28:25 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: Dr. Sivana

I recognize you missed Horowitz’ point at the outset, that freedom of expression and conscience, in his own opinion, was foundational to the founding of the US, though you want to conflate that with the explorer finding the land mass. Lots of back and forth with other posters as you have defended your views. If you want to go back and include air breathing vertebrates in your focus, please do.Freedom of conscience , expression does tower above the ebbs and flows of the other ideas you have considered, in my opinion, no need to agree with me.


31 posted on 10/31/2025 12:35:28 PM PDT by sopo
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To: Dr. Sivana

“all your arguments do not put forward the idea that America was a development from Luther”

Well dear, he got the ball rolling, and undoubtedly there would be none of us Hard Line Heretics (did I mention that Cromwell was supposedly my 6th great uncle?!) had he not nailed that document to the door. For us off the deep end Dunkards, it is true that Lutheran AND Catholic princes in Teutonia pushed us out: the Treaty of Westphalia excluded all but those two gangs.

So it’s undisputable that his ideas were foundational for the United States.


32 posted on 10/31/2025 12:39:25 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: sopo

Now that was really good.

“air breathing vertebrates” especially!


33 posted on 10/31/2025 12:42:06 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: sopo

A little off topic, but this reminded me of one of my all time favorite movies, that you probably never heard of, Black Robe.

“Set in 1634, this film follows the travels of Father LaForgue (Lothaire Bluteau), a Jesuit priest called upon to search for a remote Canadian mission surrounded by Huron settlements. LaForgue, guided by a group of distrustful yet kind Algonquin natives, embarks on a trek across unfamiliar and treacherous terrain. The young priest’s small party fends off the vicious attacks of the Iroquois tribe before finally reaching their destination. There, LaForgue finds the mission in a tragic state.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+robe+movie&ie=UTF-8


34 posted on 10/31/2025 12:44:43 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: sopo

The church we’ve been attending is conservative Presbyterian - PCA. They borderline worship Luther, and are gung ho about celebrating the Reformation (we had “Reformation Sunday” last week). They’re big on Calvin, too — all five points.

Growing up Baptist, we didn’t do that. We studied the Reformation and Luther as a great movement in religious history, but didn’t dwell on it.


35 posted on 10/31/2025 12:55:02 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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To: Dr. Sivana

PS:

Phoenix in the 1950s, although with so many Ford Falcons in view, was probably sometime in 1960 or ‘61.

See any signs in Spanish?

Nah. Only a few of them down in Guadalupe, which was then, and still is, a shantytown. Pobrecitos.

I like this vid. It’s what I grew up in. 65 years later we gotta bunch of Pancho Villa types like Rooben Galapagos doin’ the Mexican jumping bean act telling us “dees ees Mehico!”.

Um, having a little evidence from the past is always helpful to stomp on loudmouths like that.

But y’all keep trying! Have multi multi babees, and try to convince us that the 14th Amendment tells us that they are American, just like you! Then ya can take over and turn the US into just another Latin American S**thole.


36 posted on 10/31/2025 12:55:52 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Dr. Sivana

And with the link for the vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EzSq1mBMqA

Need more English tea!


37 posted on 10/31/2025 12:56:59 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Regulator

Thank you for the video. I was shocked at the number of DeSotos.

There are classes of Hispanics, just like there are in many cultures. I have known not only cultured Cubans, but also Venezuelans, Colombians, Argentinians, and Mexicans. They were better educated, more polite, and more civilized than many anglos. They tend not to leave their homeland so much (except for school, as students or professors) because they do not need to leave home to make their way.

I tried to recognize the neighborhoods in the video, and I really couldn’t. Too much has changed. I have lived in the Phoenix area for seven years, and know north central, South Mountain, Scottsdale, and now East Mesa quite well.

I sometimes wish I could have come of age in that era, but then I realize that I would have to see the crumbling all over again, and could do little to stop it.

We are in a time of upheaval, and it could get very, very bad, or we could have mass repentance before it explodes. We pray and trust that God’s Will be done.


38 posted on 10/31/2025 1:12:37 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: sopo

Funny Horowitz likes Luther’s line about the Pope being so fabulously wealthy that he should fund the Vatican.”

The main cause for which the Catholic Church was raising funds during Luther’s time was the defense of Christendom against the Muslim horde. Luther, that founding father that he was, thought the Muslim invaders were just wonderful, cheering them on. He only opposed the Islamic horde when they approached Germany.

If one is to claim, however, that America represents more Luther’s theology, one only needs to study St. Thomas Aquinas, whose treatises on Natural Law were widely cited by the founding fathers. Whereas Luther taught that the common Man was worthless in the eyes of God, “born to be mere cannon fodder,” Aquinas taught that every life was equally sacred to Christ and thus entitled to full access to the protection of law regardless of worldly station.

(That is, the Catholic Church held that although a King who acts as a godly protector of his people exercises valid authority over his subjects, his eternal soul is as cherished by Christ. In Summa Theologica, Thomas Aquinas, named “the angelic doctor” by the Church for such teachings, argues that the best form of government is a just, elected (!!!), Christian protector king, whose polity is governed by elected ministers; and that when a king does not act for his kingdom as Christ did for the Church (that is, laying down his life for it), but rather acts manifestly sinfully and unjustly, the people retain the right to overthrow their king and govern themselves, electing ministers.)

What does this sound like?

(I would argue that inasmuch as the kingship is elected bestowed by election rather than by inheritance, he’s describing something more akin to a President, except for the lack of limited terms. Still, not a bad description of a presidency for AD 1225!)


39 posted on 10/31/2025 1:14:41 PM PDT by dangus
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To: MayflowerMadam

Of course, no man is to be worshiped, but in a time of ecumenism, great Reformers should be remembered for the truths they espoused.


40 posted on 10/31/2025 1:26:47 PM PDT by sopo
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