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As a professor, I’ve seen woke and MAGA censorship. Which is worse?
The Washington Post ^
| 10/18/2025 6:30 a.m. EDT
| Crispin Sartwell
Posted on 10/18/2025 11:18:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Both attacks on free speech are devastating for academia, but in different ways.
Crispin Sartwell retired as a philosophy professor in 2023. His most recent book is “Beauty: A Quick Immersion.”
It didn’t take long for professors to point out that the right-wing wave of
restrictions on expression, spurred by the Trump administration, is far worse than those characteristic of “the woke era.” After all, the woke restrictions were primarily internal, a matter of academic practice, as students, administrators and professors tried to eliminate any shred of skepticism toward diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. It was annoying — and devastating if you were fired or publicly shamed. In my view, it led to a dramatic decline in the quality of research.
But MAGA restrictions appear far more serious, as the
administration threatens to withhold federal funds on ideological grounds, attempts to make colleges pledge themselves to Trumpian orthodoxy, drives
university presidents from their jobs and vilifies the work of professors or students in a way that shames or even endangers them. This is direct governmental free-speech suppression, which is just what the founders of the American republic wanted to prevent: The First Amendment prohibits the government but not, say, private universities from restricting speech.
The classic picture of censorship involves a government crackdown. The Constitution’s fundamental purpose is to prevent that kind of suppression, which the founders had experienced at the hands of the British Empire. And a government crackdown is a different sort of beast than an atmosphere of social and professional pressure: The president of the United States can employ weapons, surveillance techniques and internment facilities of which (dare I say it) university vice provosts can only dream. A government’s oppressive power exceeds that of any private institution, and the dangers to...
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
As a professor, dumb question.
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posted on
10/18/2025 11:20:46 PM PDT
by
enumerated
(81 million votes my ass)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
After all, the woke restrictions were primarily internal, a matter of academic practice, as students, administrators and professors tried to eliminate any shred of skepticism toward diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. Can't tolerate any thought-diversity now, can we?
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Leftists think they have the inherent right to plunder other people and force them to fund and promote their speech. In their mind it is more wrong to cut off their pillaging of the slave class than it is to censor someone who is speaking on their own dime.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Another example of “yes but” reasoning by a Leftist academic. There is no MAGA censorship — except to decline federal funding for institutions that embrace anti-American and anti-Constitutional indoctrination in education. And the effect of Woke censorship and Leftist indoctrination in general is more profound in that they subvert intellectual freedom and reasoned discourse.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Butthurt liberal academic rant.
Doesn’t like ideology when it isn’t his ideology.
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posted on
10/18/2025 11:45:40 PM PDT
by
SpaceBar
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Gagging academicians, firing faculty members, expelling students - or subjecting them to "compelled speech" (Dr. Jordan Peterson) - is, morally speaking, incomparably worse than merely
withdrawing funding.
The Federal Govt. is not required to subsidize hateful craziness.
Regards,
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posted on
10/18/2025 11:49:29 PM PDT
by
alexander_busek
(Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
>> Crispin Sartwell retired as a philosophy professor in 2023.
Good plan, “Crispin”, if that’s your real name.
Plato or Aristotle, you ain’t!
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posted on
10/18/2025 11:52:05 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
To: alexander_busek
>> Gagging academicians
Yeah, nearly all of them gag me! GAG RETCH PUKE!!!
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posted on
10/18/2025 11:54:02 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
"It didn’t take long for professors to point out that the right-wing wave of restrictions on expression, spurred by the Trump administration, is far worse than those characteristic of 'the woke era.'” 
On a positive note, I like that expression "the woke era" implying it may be something in the rear view mirror.
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posted on
10/19/2025 12:04:52 AM PDT
by
clearcarbon
(Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Imagine having a first name of “Crispin.”
I can’t.
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posted on
10/19/2025 1:33:44 AM PDT
by
sauropod
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ya it is fine when BigEd crushes student free speech, but axe a prof that cheers on cold blooded murder and the world is ending. When elites cry they just sound like Charlie Brown’s teachers on a party line.
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posted on
10/19/2025 1:41:24 AM PDT
by
Kudsman
(48)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Funny how they used to say woke censorship didn’t exist.
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posted on
10/19/2025 1:45:54 AM PDT
by
ifinnegan
(Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
To: Nervous Tick
“...Crispin Sartwell retired as a philosophy professor in 2023...”
Sartwell, or SHARTwell? :P
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posted on
10/19/2025 3:15:47 AM PDT
by
Kriggerel
("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
To: E. Pluribus Unum
I’d hate being in grade school with a name like Crispin Sartwell.
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posted on
10/19/2025 3:22:58 AM PDT
by
Oldeconomybuyer
(The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
I’m equally appalled with both, I honestly thought we were done with the thought police post Biden. On a personal leve, I simply don’t care enough what people say or think generally speaking. I certainly don’t want the gubmint to interject... I get that “conservatives” like certain speech, but don’t think this won’t come back later by the other side when theyve wrestled power for themselves once again.
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posted on
10/19/2025 3:26:22 AM PDT
by
Katya
(ultra skeptic)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
After all, the woke restrictions were primarily internal, a matter of academic practice, as students, administrators and professors tried to eliminate any shred of skepticism toward diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives.
Tell that to the parents who were targeted by the FBI for speaking out at BOE meetings...
To: God luvs America
So woke censorship is ok censorship.
But MAGA elimination of censorship …..is worse censorship?
Does not compute. No matter how they twist and spin.
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posted on
10/19/2025 3:38:53 AM PDT
by
Donbue
To: ifinnegan
Good catch—in fact they would censor anyone who said they were censoring anyone!
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posted on
10/19/2025 3:42:29 AM PDT
by
cgbg
("The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.")
To: Donbue
Woke censorship - “You can’t say there are only two sexes!”
MAGA censorship - “You can’t say you want a mother’s children to die while she watches because her husband is a conservative.”
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posted on
10/19/2025 3:54:10 AM PDT
by
MMusson
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