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To: Morgana

It’s always been clear that Trump is more populist than social conservative, and social conservatives have differing views on IVF.


2 posted on 10/17/2025 9:52:56 AM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: Wuli
Agreed. And IMHO, the argument regarding IVF is a distraction. Much like the argument over hardship cases regarding abortions. Those are such a small percentage of abortions (I often read less than 1%) that our pro-life said wasted too much time in the pre-Dobbs years arguing over that when we should have focused on the 99% win.

That's how I see the IVF argument. We should not get caught up in that and we should instead accept the 99% win and make sure our win is implemented. I'd rather us pro-lifers make sure the leftists courts are unable to block pro-life state legislation, and maybe win the culture battles in the pro-abortion states.

4 posted on 10/17/2025 9:59:43 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Wuli

IVF supports the philosophy that babies are a commodity. You can’t have such a philosophy outside of utilitarian ethics. Those ethics don’t end with a seemingly beneficial,voluntary choices such as IVF. They end with involuntary actions like government ordered euthanasia of the disabled.

It is also reduces the full nature of both men and women to being seen as secondary to their reproductive ability. Some will not understand that liberal abortion laws do the same thing.


11 posted on 10/17/2025 10:16:58 AM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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