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Posted on 09/28/2025 10:21:36 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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“Russia has never seeked [sic] to occupy all of the Ukraine.” Oh really? As if that matters. Russia aims to defeat Ukraine, annex choice bits, and leave a subservient, pro-Russian government in its place that will endlessly loot Ukraine on behalf of Moscow. And those crazy Ukrainians don’t want that.
The upcoming huddle of our generals and admirals summoned by Secretary of Defense might be presented with an agenda to deal with the implications of our vulnerability. The evidence in the ground in Ukraine tells us that $60,000,000 Abrams tanks and multi-billion-dollar aircraft carriers are, in effect, targets rather than costly game changing whizbang weapons.
This means a whole range of new concept defensive platforms that can defeat swarms of drones and coordinated hypersonic missiles. This is a technological step above the level of the Iron Dome that has defended Israel. It means an entire range of technology from beneath the sea to near space, all coordinated, all instantaneous, all powered by AI.
The lift to achieve this is monumental that unfortunately will fail without huge amounts of money and a real national purpose that overcomes politics, especially the kind of politics that has turned our defense establishment into a mire of regulatory sludge. All the money that currently motivates our politicians to protect a sclerotic Pentagon will have to be diverted from its normal flows to new paths for new technologies that don't even exist yet.
We should regard what is happening in Ukraine to be a Sputnik moment that will have the same unifying effect that moves the nation to meet a new existential threat.
A major need will be to keep our isolationists as well as leftists on board.
“””””We should regard what is happening in Ukraine to be a Sputnik moment that will have the same unifying effect that moves the nation to meet a new existential threat.”””””
True, America is benefitting so much from Putin’s invasion, if only people would look.
At some point people will again start looking at our national defense and the deeper ones will be writing about the difference from January of 2022 to today, and what is continuing.
An excellent question and observation.
In exchanges about this and Secretary of State Marco Rubio's specific and verifiable quote that this has been a proxy war, some have argued some form of 1) well, he didn't really mean it, or 2) "Calling it a 'proxy war' is falling for Putin's propaganda."
As this thread is specifically about Kellogg's remarks as reported by Kyiv Independent via MSN, the question is all the more probing.
Another comment asks: "Just who's war is this anyways?" Just so.
For various Freepers who comment, the question is simple. Yet replies can be so evasive.
1) Is this a proxy war, and the US is allied with NATO in it?Shouldn't be too difficult to pick one with some clarity.2) Is this not a proxy war, as the US is distancing itself by supplying European nations with weapons for sale?
3) Is this actually an active war, with the United States allied with the whole of NATO and with non-NATO Ukraine against Russia?
My take is the second, as the days go by, while Kellogg is trying to keep it the first, as it was under Biden. And some few Freepers have gone as far as "Drop a nuke on him!"
So.
Purchase of weapons from the US by the EU or NATO has been authorized by Trump.
Let’s examine this.
1) They aren’t in inventory. The authorization is to place orders and get the order filled as the weapons are manufactured.
2) The flow of money, as anyone who has been involved with such things knows, is up front. The manufacturing employees have to be paid. The manufacturing company does not fund its employees and then await payment. Even a credit-worthy customer like the US military has to flow that money incrementally during manufacture.
3) This means the EU is going to be facing the reality of sending money to the US for a significant period of time during which it gets no weapons. They take time to build.
4) This is another reason why the EU/NATO will move aggressively to try to build for themselves and stop having the ECB create money that is then sent to the US.
5) As soon as this happens, Trump, in keeping with his American First perspective, will lose interest in the whole matter. This is also in the context of what Kellogg quoted about “approval on a case by case basis”. Do we really think Trump is going to want to occupy his time with target lists for approval decisions while he has a govt shutdown to deal with?
Great move by Kellogg
Admit to Russians and the world that the US is directing attacks on Russia using the Ukes as a front.
Who’s the “ paper tiger” here?
Has Trump lost control of the situation this badly?
Is he using social media and his wife to make war decisions?
Not anymore
Putin was stupid for picking a fight with President Trump.
Why doesn’t Russia quit plying already. Kiev could be flattened in about 20 minutes, and that greedy little puppet POS Zelenskyy would be gone.
“Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like “a paper tiger.”
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/11525513029810
And now Putin flew to Belarus to whine to Lukashenko. Lol!
this
They don’t need no stinkin R&R. These guys never leave the front. Bathhouse Berry and Shower Daddy Bidin, along with a helping hand from the consumate buggers at MI6, the Ukrainian’s have embraced the LGBT support system, as they stood up their military. Russia is simply euthanizing the entire gaggle riddled with STDs. They are saving that little fag green gobblin for last.
Simple to answer. It is America’s war, it is now Trump’s war. Trump will make the final decision, according to Kellogg, Rubio, Vance, and every other Admin weenie when asked. Trump said we are making “blood” money off this.
An economically desparate nation now reduced from leading the free world to peddling blood money weapons to profit and keep afloat the only truly recession proof sector of the American Economy, the MIC.
All American’s are tainted by Trump’s proclaimation of Making Money off Weapons for Ukraine, to kill Russians.
This is and has been AmeriKa’s War from the first coup.
France, Germany and England are all moving into a state of financial default; they are all cutting benefits for their historical populations in order to militaralize themselves. The US is facing recession. Techincally, since 2007 we have been mostly in recession by classical defination but have printed fiat to make ends meet.
Russia at least has been cited by the EUropeans as having a 1% GDP this year, down from 4-5% GDP prior years.
When I was in the US Govt before and after the Y2K, there were no EU countries with a Net+ GDP of over 1%. As far back as late 90s Germany was always -.03% or some official crap misisng targets.
Hence Trump’s pivot to Bitcoin and stable coins. If you have to call the other crap stable coins, the only one is Bitcoin that will work - as the intends to offload our debt into crypto markets worldwide.
All in all, Russia has won this war on the battlefield, and economically. What is left to salvage with the exception of a media victory for the west?
Behhind your Great Western Firewall and new EU Iron Curtain, the west controls the media and your opinions.
A million casualties was just the warm-up. Now they got’em where they want’em.
It is fascinating how quickly things can change. At the beginning Abrams were still “whiz-bang” wonder weapons. Remember the debate about providing them? Ukraine wanted a couple hundred and we wound up giving them a dozen. But during the delay they figured out that a Walmart drone for surveillance and another with a mortar-shell strapped to it rendered tanks scrap metal. Drones are taking down Navy ships. Troops can’t gather for a concentrated strike even well back from the lines without being discovered and targeted. And it cuts both ways.
I think you are correct. By continuing the Biden actions to a degree, the more recent claim that this was "Biden's war' becomes moot. Certainly for those on these forums who go as far as wishing -- anonymously, of course -- for even a nuclear exchange are heated and highly emotional, when cooler heads are usually called on to prevail.
By becoming, as the phrase now turns into "Trump's war," his war, there becomes no neutral party who could act as negotiator. And therefore also the politics becomes very complex.
You are correct.
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