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Secrets inside the Westman Family: Has Mary Westman Been Wrongly Vilified?
Ngo Comment ^ | August 31, 2025 | Andy Ngo

Posted on 08/31/2025 6:37:30 PM PDT by Morgana

I spoke to someone who knows the family of the Minneapolis trans mass shooter. According to this source, it was James (Jim) Allen Westman — not Mary Grace Westman — who was the most affirming of Robert (Robin)’s gender dysphoria. Jim is very liberal, as I saw on his social media before he deleted it. After the divorce, the couple’s five children allegedly looked to him for affirmation on choices their mother wouldn’t support.

“Mary Grace was very conservative and Jim was not,” the source says. She had been involved in pro-life activism, having given up her first baby (before the marriage) for adoption. “Because of this dynamic, the kids always went behind Mary Grace’s back to Jim for approval of doing things she didn’t approve.”

In the aftermath of the Annunciation Catholic Church mass shooting on Wednesday, Ms Westman (née Wilson), 67, has been ruthlessly vilified by mobs on social media because her signature appeared on the court paperwork that allowed Robert to legally transition as a minor. (In Minnesota, both parents typically have to consent to a child’s identity change.) But the source believes Ms Westman was under immense pressure — from professionals, doctors and family — all warning her that unless she signed, her son would kill himself. This threat is a familiar line from mainstream trans groups: transition or suicide.

The online mob rage against Ms Westman grew as Minneapolis Police said she wasn’t returning contact with them from her home in Naples, Fla. She also retained a criminal defense lawyer. But it is not unusual for someone not to speak to law enforcement without retaining counsel. Her Florida home was visited by the FBI after the shooting, but no one appeared to be there, according to local media. She was reportedly on her way back to Minnesota to be with her children.

Mr Westman, 62, lives in Minneapolis and is a Geographic Information Systems (GIS) application developer for tech company Esri. The company is a world leader in developing software for digital maps. He remarried after the divorce.

“[Robert] was the youngest of five children and experienced a difficult divorce between his parents,” the source says. “Shortly after she signed the form for Bobby, she moved to Florida after he turned 18. She was heartbroken over all of this.”

The shooter himself admitted in his manifesto that his mother was not initially supportive, and he resented her for it.

“I remember one day, she said something like, ‘In the future you will look back and feel ridiculous about who you feel like you are inside. You will regret this,’” the shooter wrote in his manifesto. He also confessed that he had come to realize he’d been “brainwashed” into becoming trans.

But by then, he wrote, it was too late to go back. “Gender and weed fucked up my head,” he wrote. “I wish I never tried experimenting with either.” For him, detransitioning would mean admitting defeat, and he worried it would thwart his murder-suicide plans. His chilling conclusion: death before detransition.


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To: Morgana

Given that both parents were living in Minneapolis, I believed one of them threatened to use the forces of evil existing in that city against the other parent. One of them wanted to use son, Robert, against the other; using those forces.

I have a friend living in Minneapolis. He called me to inform me he is getting out of that hell hole this week. The people living there are awful.


21 posted on 08/31/2025 10:35:24 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Captain Walker

elon musk gave in to the same emotional blackmail

i think if a child threatens suicide

they should be institutionalized

medical professionals and parents should not give in to threats of suicide


22 posted on 08/31/2025 11:01:34 PM PDT by joshua c
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To: Morgana

And this is one of the many reasons I distrust “counselors”. As a family law attorney, I have witnessed first hand the damage they do meddling in people’s lives. This standard advice they give, “Would you rather have a live transitioned child or a dead nontransitioned child?” is a bullying, false, lying, unprofessional, unhelpful piece of garbage that should never be said and paves the road to hell. I have also had client who was advised to leave her child behind and move to a different state with her new boyfriend to establish her “new life” and that she could “return for her son later.” No she couldn’t. She had left her son for a boyfriend. She couldn’t overcome that. “Counselors” tell people that they can construct new families out of pieces of old ones. It’s not that simple, not like putting Legos together. Also you can’t do “couples counseling” when one party is abusive, controlling.

I totally feel for the mom of this criminal. She was a conservative who married a liberal loon. Life as a conservative Catholic is a battle here on earth against very real devils and demons. Satan is ugly real and jealous and hates it when the good and the beautiful, which he will never be is spreading love and goodness.


23 posted on 09/01/2025 4:36:51 AM PDT by yldstrk
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To: jonrick46

Funny you bring that up. Been to Minneapolis several times over the years for work. The place always had a soulless evil feel to it. Hated to go and couldn’t wait to get the he’ll out.


24 posted on 09/01/2025 5:00:39 AM PDT by suijuris
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To: ansel12

Sounds like you don’t listen to him.


25 posted on 09/01/2025 8:40:25 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (You can vote totalitarians in but you can never vote them out...)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I did hear about the 20 foot combat robots though, and the submarine bases, one of his followers here posted the video link on a thread.


26 posted on 09/01/2025 8:44:57 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Morgana
Had she not signed the kid would just have had it overruled by some lib judge so lets not act like we don’t know that.

Then no signature ever means anything.

If someone can read into another person's signature and, through emotions and feelings, interpret it to mean something other than what it represents, then let's just turn off the lights and lower the flag.

27 posted on 09/01/2025 9:30:54 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("Justice exalteth a nation: but sin maketh nations miserable." – Proverbs 14:34)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Alex Jones is a ghoul.


28 posted on 09/02/2025 9:16:26 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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