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1 posted on 08/19/2025 9:02:59 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

In all honesty, no one cares what you think. President Trump and Vlad ( not Zelensky nor the EU fools) is the core, the ones deciding.

Should Zelensky decide to NOT give up the ethnic Russian provinces for Peace, Vlad will let the Reality on the front decide. Either way, Vlad keeps his Russian Provinces, and there is little the West can do about it.

Checkmate.


2 posted on 08/19/2025 9:09:04 AM PDT by delta7
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To: Brian Griffin

I also suspect a peace deal is possible, but I am very skeptical that it would be lasting.

Almost everything Putin is asking for is a big billboard invitation to regroup and attack again. No military treaties or defense agreements, no defense memberships, etc. etc.

If Russia wants all these things, then there has to be some for of deterrence built into the agreement in some other way. It threatens WWiii, so most people don’t like it, but a failure by Russia to adhere to the agreement should have it explicitly written in that they will forfeit the pact in toto and be subject to any manner of punitive action.


3 posted on 08/19/2025 9:09:49 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: Brian Griffin
If Trump can't do it, NOBODY CAN. This exercise makes me incredibly proud of Trump and underscores the degree to which he is respected by world leaders, including Putin.

Unfortunately, I do NOT see Putin relinquishing ANY held territory and therefore Zelenskyy not agreeing to a deal.

4 posted on 08/19/2025 9:10:32 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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Putin is doing what Arafat did in the Clinton era. Make his demands such that peace does NOT happen. The current Russian economy and his personal survival now depend on the continuation of the war.


6 posted on 08/19/2025 9:17:55 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: Brian Griffin

Technocracy doesn’t matter.

This is about POWER.

Putin will “honor” the details of any agreement as long as he “respects” the POWER behind the agreement.

In that case, it would be Trump but Trump has a shelf life of less than four years.

The question currently on the table is how much do Zelensky and the Euroweenies respect Trump’s POWER.

There is a very short time window here.

Putin and Trump will DICTATE the terms and each will abide by those as long as they are both in power.

When one leaves the stage, it’s back to the conflict which goes back centuries.


7 posted on 08/19/2025 9:22:12 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Brian Griffin

You should have listed your thread as VANITY.
Which is what it is.


8 posted on 08/19/2025 9:23:20 AM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRobr 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Brian Griffin

Who gets bragging rights?


10 posted on 08/19/2025 9:31:41 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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I am reminded that Ukraine signed a deal to hand over their nukes in exchange for a guarantee from Russia that they would never invade.


11 posted on 08/19/2025 9:32:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If Hitler were alive today and criticized Trump, would he still be Hitler?)
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You’re pipe dreaming. Putin wants land and worth, and Zelenskyy is willing to send his people to hara-kiri to keep his face and his wealth. This is not a “deal” of ending a war. It’s just another step in its continuance and the displaying of two monsters.

It is an equal possibility either or both will break any agreement at any time. Putin is arrogant and dishonorable and Zelenskyy is crooked and self serving. Together they make a liberal.

wy69


13 posted on 08/19/2025 9:56:07 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: Brian Griffin

Too complicated


16 posted on 08/19/2025 10:54:32 AM PDT by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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The front lines should those of any day after August 18th selected by Trump as justified by US intelligence evidence.

[That’s to end the incentive to fight, basically creating a ceasefire.]

sanctions on Russia to be removed only after a certain period of Russian good behavior.

[That’s to get the Russians in line]

the base schedule for the return of Russian assets,
and asset return rate changes to ensure the good behavior of Russians and Ukrainians,
including their paramilitaries and other irregulars,

[That’s to keep them both in line - the Russians want their assets back and Ukrainian misbehavior might unpleasantly result in faster asset return to the Russians.]

the Ukrainian right to buy listed weapons [Patriots, anti-aircraft weapons, artillery shells, missiles] from the US, EU and possibly the UK at prices in line with what the source entity government(s) would pay, if such would be in the interest of EU security,

[That’s to get the Ukrainians to sign on, and to be peaceful. A Ukraine that upsets Russia again might get invaded again, which would cause the EU’s security buffer of Ukraine to be put at risk again.]


17 posted on 08/19/2025 10:58:30 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

Nice work but it’s much easier to read Putin’s own words. Russian chauvinists of his ilk consider Ukrainains to be Russians and Ukraine to be part of Russia. And they are perfectly happy to kill anyone who disagrees.

Note the 2021 date. Mere months before Putin launched his genocidal war of choice on the second biggest country in Europe.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

July 12, 2021

During the recent Direct Line, when I was asked about Russian-Ukrainian relations, I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people – a single whole. These words were not driven by some short-term considerations or prompted by the current political context. It is what I have said on numerous occasions and what I firmly believe. I therefore feel it necessary to explain my position in detail and share my assessments of today’s situation.

First of all, I would like to emphasize that the wall that has emerged in recent years between Russia and Ukraine, between the parts of what is essentially the same historical and spiritual space, to my mind is our great common misfortune and tragedy. These are, first and foremost, the consequences of our own mistakes made at different periods of time. But these are also the result of deliberate efforts by those forces that have always sought to undermine our unity. The formula they apply has been known from time immemorial – divide and rule. There is nothing new here. Hence the attempts to play on the ”national question“ and sow discord among people, the overarching goal being to divide and then to pit the parts of a single people against one another....


21 posted on 08/19/2025 2:08:03 PM PDT by lodi90
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