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GROK: Can a public official advocate for a form of government other than a Constitutional Republic without violating his/her Oath of Office?
8/18/25 | Grok

Posted on 08/18/2025 3:45:30 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew

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To: whitney69

Vetting someone for their concept of governance increases voter awareness and participation in sensible citizenship.


21 posted on 08/19/2025 3:23:15 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Are you now, or have you ever been, a Democrat?)
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To: NorthMountain

It seems people are having some success presently by just ignoring it and no one remined them effectively.


22 posted on 08/19/2025 7:13:32 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“argue that a parliamentary system would be more efficient “

If a constitutional amendment is proposed it is constitutional. But Grok fails to mention this.

If officials propose unconstitional activities outside the amendment process it is quite different.


23 posted on 08/19/2025 8:03:42 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Retain Mike
just ignoring it

The Constitution lacks an effective enforcement mechanism. The Second Amendment is extreme (to say the least), and the jury trial just isn't effective.

24 posted on 08/19/2025 8:20:39 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“Vetting someone for their concept of governance increases voter awareness and participation in sensible citizenship.”

Vetting is defined by Oxford Dictionary as:

“make a careful and critical examination of (something).”

That’s something I always do here in the northwest as we have a huge amount of liberal and rinos up here.

But your script said “I *do* have a problem with allowing certain ones to hold public office.” So other than what you should do as a responsible voter, what is your determination of using vetting. If it is a way to make yourself or others aware of their agenda then that’s great and I applaud you. But the outcome of vetting to determine the eligibility of a candidate that is within the law shouldn’t be a criteria for eligibility. If that isn’t what you meant, then I apologize for not understanding your entry.

wy69


25 posted on 08/19/2025 9:30:42 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: whitney69

I believe you have it right. Here is my plan:

1.) Publicly post on web the names of everyone in my county who is required to take the Oath of Office. A FOIA request and other means will generate the names and office held.

2.) Provide an online examination for them to complete or ignore at will. Completion strengthens their standing in the eyes of informed voters. Ignorance or laziness is a tacit confession of, or may be construed as incompetence, evasion, or ill-will toward fidelity.

3.) Make provision for them to state their case however they wish when it comes to policies they want to adopt as a way of forwarding the common good.

The net effect for my County, anyway, is a “one stop shop” for citizens to check candidates out before the vote. I will not vote for a local candidate who refuses the exams, and I will let them know that clearly.

Accountability should not wait until they are elected


26 posted on 08/19/2025 9:59:50 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Are you now, or have you ever been, a Democrat?)
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To: whitney69

I also think it is bass-ackwards to allow ballot access for individuals who are manifestly opposed to our stated aims and form of government.


27 posted on 08/19/2025 10:03:00 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Are you now, or have you ever been, a Democrat?)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“...opposed to our stated aims...”

Depends on whose aims being used. The aims of Utah and those of New York may differ from Texas and Florida and may be right/wrong, or both, but they are still aims and if they get enough people in their state to vote for them, they’re headed for D.C.

Remember, the election process is controlled by the states, not the feds. The feds can only work with what they get from the states. And as long as it is not a violation of law, it is acceptable. And the voters in Texas might not want certain people into the process, but they can’t stop them. They can only hope voters in the state they are concerned about and think like them vote them out.

And sometimes the states do things that have to go to court to be determined wrong or right. So it can sometimes be crap shoot.

wy69


28 posted on 08/19/2025 1:05:36 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: Fester Chugabrew

“Here is my plan:”

What I think you are taking about already exists and it is a debate. Also, there are leaflets sent out in some states, mine does, that gives the history and has a statement from the candidate in it mailed to registered voters. There are also town halls and dinners to ask the candidates their opinion on certain topics.

But you have to get people to read and go to these and like in our state, the liberals vote lockstep and the entire state is controlled by two counties, King and Pierce, both in western Washington, and both blatanly liberal.

wy69


29 posted on 08/19/2025 1:13:49 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I don’t think we should allow anyone who is a socialist or communist run for office.
That type has and will kill millions.


30 posted on 08/19/2025 8:19:27 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Making money now. Still want much more.)
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To: minnesota_bound

That is precisely my thinking, but what mechanism is in place to prevent that?


31 posted on 08/20/2025 2:56:51 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Are you now, or have you ever been, a Democrat?)
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