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Putin agreed to 'robust' security guarantees for Ukraine, says US envoy
BBC News ^ | Aug 17 | BBC News

Posted on 08/17/2025 12:51:20 PM PDT by RandFan

Donald Trump's special envoy said Russia had agreed to allow the US and Europe to give Ukraine "robust" security guarantees as part of a potential peace deal.

Steve Witkoff told CNN it was agreed at the Alaska summit that the US and Europe could "effectively offer Article 5-like language to cover a security guarantee", referring to Nato's principle that an attack on one member is an attack on all.

Putin has long opposed Ukraine joining Nato, and Witkoff said the arrangement could be an alternative if the Ukrainians "can live with it".

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky described the US's security guarantee offer as "historic" ahead of talks with Trump and European leaders on Monday.

Speaking ahead of his visit to Washington DC, Zelensky said any guarantee "must really be very practical, delivering protection on land, in the air, and at sea, and must be developed with Europe's participation".

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: concerntroll; concerntrolling; proxywar; pullmyfinger; securityguarantees; ukraine; welfarewar; witkoffliesagain; zot
Why is he (Zelensky) putting in conditions? Just sign it
1 posted on 08/17/2025 12:51:20 PM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

He should have stepped down 3 years ago


2 posted on 08/17/2025 1:10:25 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: RandFan

What is the difference in terms? A label? NATO terms but not quite NATO?


3 posted on 08/17/2025 1:56:50 PM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: RandFan

Because if the war continues, Zelensky will probably be assassinated by Ukrainian citizens, and if the war stops, he’ll be assassinated by azov remnants.


4 posted on 08/17/2025 2:02:58 PM PDT by struggle
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To: tsowellfan

He should have stepped down 3 years ago
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Zelensky is illegitimate, he needs to hold elections. Why would Vlad sign an “ agreement “ with an illegitimate leader?

Hold elections, then proceed with negotiations….simple.


5 posted on 08/17/2025 2:18:52 PM PDT by delta7
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To: RandFan

President Zelensky:

We’re not going to defend your country during the current Russian invasion, but if there’s another Russian invasion, we’ll come running, armed to the teeth.

Honest, cross our hearts and hope to die.

President Trump, Prime Minister Starmer, President Macron

************

Probably a more realistic thing to do is to have the US pay 27% of the salaries of Ukrainian military, the EU to pay 27% too, the UK to pay 6%, up to $12 billion a year, and up to $200 billion in total.

This would permit Ukraine to retain its battle-hardened fighters in its military and give Ukraine the financial flexibility to prepare against future Russian threats.


6 posted on 08/17/2025 2:20:10 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: RandFan

“The Anglo-French Guarantee of Polish Independence, March 31, 1939”

“Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party, the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power....”

[The whole document is not at the webpage]
https://originalsources.com/Document.aspx?DocID=53B1Z1YSCNHVFSR


7 posted on 08/17/2025 2:30:47 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: RandFan

“Agreement of Mutual Assistance between the United Kingdom and Poland, August 25, 1939.”

“ARTICLE I.

Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party, the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power.

ARTICLE 2.

(1) The provisions of Article I will also apply in the event of any action by a European Power which clearly threatened, directly or indirectly, the independence of one of the Contracting Parties, and was of such a nature that the Party in question considered it vital to resist it with its armed forces....”

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Agreement_of_Mutual_Assistance_between_the_United_Kingdom_and_Poland-London_(1939)

Note the limitation: “any action by a European Power which clearly threatened, directly or indirectly, the independence of one of the Contracting Parties”


8 posted on 08/17/2025 2:41:41 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

I expect one of Putin’s demands will be disarming Ukraine. If so, the security guaranty won’t be worth the paper it’s written on. Without both a strong military AND security guaranties, Russia will just be back in a few years.

5 European heads of state (6 if you include Ukraine), the NATO Secretary and the President of the EU will be meeting with Trump at the White House tomorrow. If some kind of security guaranty is really on the table, I suspect Trump will be explaining to these leaders exactly what Europe’s commitments will be, and that they will be more significant in both blood and treasure than the US.


9 posted on 08/17/2025 3:50:27 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: RandFan

insane
we should not be involved after ending this proxy war.


10 posted on 08/17/2025 3:54:39 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: RandFan
Steve Witkoff told CNN it was agreed at the Alaska summit that the US and Europe could "effectively offer Article 5-like language to cover a security guarantee", referring to Nato's principle that an attack on one member is an attack on all.

NATO Artcle 5

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

Article 5 provides no guarantee of military action by anybody. It provides that each member nation will take such action as it deems necessary, and that may, or may not, include armed attack.

11 posted on 08/17/2025 6:15:56 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

I hope you aren’t a lawyer. You clearly don’t understand how the language of the article works.


12 posted on 08/17/2025 7:00:07 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: delta7

So, orcs bomb Ukraine, destroy its infrastructure, kill thousands, capture 20% of its territory, annex it and then demand elections in the country they are at war with. What a lovely logic….
Legitimate or not, it’s none of your business, Russian troll.


13 posted on 08/17/2025 7:41:14 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: freeandfreezing

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. The legal terms of the legal document are quite clear.


14 posted on 08/17/2025 8:38:38 PM PDT by woodpusher
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