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Nobody Knows What’s Real
American Thinker ^ | 17 Aug, 2025 | J.B. Shurk

Posted on 08/17/2025 5:00:16 AM PDT by MtnClimber

There’s no better example of how little faith Americans have that government officials will tell the truth than the public’s blasé reaction to UFO announcements. In the last ten years, The New York Times has run stories about secret Pentagon programs tasked with retrieving alien craft. Members of Congress have held hearings on “mysterious orbs” and invited government witnesses to testify about black budget projects supposedly reverse-engineering alien technology. Secretary of State Rubio and director of National Intelligence Gabbard have both suggested that the UFO issue is serious. Yet eight billion people around the world collectively shrug.

Can you imagine what the public reaction would have been like had national newspapers and prominent officials released similar details in the 1950s? With the 1947 Roswell Incident still fresh in Americans’ minds, government confirmation of UFOs would have been the most important story in the world. Every article written and television report broadcast would have been framed around the alien/UFO phenomenon.

For eighty years, UFO-hunters have been fighting for government declassifications and official disclosure of alien contact. Now that videos of strange sightings have been released and congressional hearings have been convened to investigate the matter, Americans don’t seem to care. Representatives Tim Burchett and Anna Paulina Luna have said explicitly that extraterrestrial visitors are real, and their statements disappear in a blizzard of news stories discussing the “Aryan micro-aggressions” of Sydney Sweeney’s jeans.

Nobody believes what government officials say. Nobody believes what journalists say. In our world today, fantastic stories come and go, and nobody knows if they’re real.

CIA director William Casey reportedly told other principals gathered in the Roosevelt Room of the White House in early 1981, “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

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To: know.your.why; cgbg
Look at comment #7 again. Read it carefully. Do your own research.

These people have seen anecdotal evidence and beyond. The President, the Director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence.

I realize this is a shock to our worldview. But it is what it is.

Is this not massive? I do not draw any conclusions as to what it is. But, as they say, this is something. It is not loony. It is out of our usual pattern of thinking. But it is what it is.

61 posted on 08/17/2025 3:32:10 PM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: unlearner

Yep! The Bible is quite clear on the rapture, sans when. My pastor is an awesome teacher and every gathering is a Bible study...not what”men” say about it. Gods word and nothing else. We are fortunate to have him to guide us.

Those that Pooh Pooh Gods sovereignty, grace and power are going to have a very hard time


62 posted on 08/17/2025 3:37:56 PM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison........like yesterday!!! )
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To: Mathews

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They’ll be here soon...


63 posted on 08/17/2025 3:39:43 PM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison........like yesterday!!! )
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To: voicereason

The problem with DNA is that all the data it contains must be present at once to sustain life

It can’t “ evolve bit by bit.

This problem of data encoded in DNA is what proved to Michael Behe

,( who wrote the text book on chemical predestination, that even though disproved by Behe is still used in college )

That evolution can’t happen period.


64 posted on 08/17/2025 3:46:46 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: xp38
One could ponder if we are the only life forms here on earth why was the universe made so large.

It might be because everything is needed to allow us to be here.

There is a guy who does shorts about "what would happen to our solar system if...." In 99% of the cases, we die.

Remove Jupiter? We die. Give us a second moon? We die.

It become curiously depressing and at the same time a marvel that we are here on this rock hurling through space and calmly typing.

65 posted on 08/17/2025 3:49:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: know.your.why
Massive? Really? How can you characterize the evidence as massive when it's not conclusive?

Read your comment again and read it carefully.

There is anecdotal and military sensory equipment evidence of "unidentified" craft (radar, FLIR on aircraft and ships). This evidence has been presented in open Congressional hearings and in SCIFs.

Top Gun pilots and shipboard intel officers.

"Unidentified" means "inconclusive."

I realize this is an ontological shock. That's the point.

No one has stated that they know what it is. That is the point.

The point is "uncertainty." But denial of uncertainty isn't logical.

You may not know it, but missile launch officers stationed underground at Malmstrom AFB (Montana in March 1967) and Minot AFB (North Dakota in September 1966) witnessed or were involved in an incident where UFOs tampered with nuclear weapons.

They testified before Congress about this.

I am not saying I know what this is. But it is something.

Denial isn't a logical approach to this.

66 posted on 08/17/2025 3:57:00 PM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: cuz1961
Math proves nothing

The bible proves nothing

The only thing that is proven is no one knows anything about these phenomenon.......

67 posted on 08/17/2025 4:00:14 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Why can't you tickle yourself?)
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To: know.your.why
Massive? Really? How can you characterize the evidence as massive when its not conclusive?

Nobody is claiming their origin. All that's being argued here is the fact that they have been observed. That's indisputable...

68 posted on 08/17/2025 4:05:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Why can't you tickle yourself?)
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To: xp38
One could ponder if we are the only life forms here on earth why was the universe made so large. Our own galaxy is very roughly estimated to have 100 billion stars and beyond that there are 100 billion galaxies. Multiply 100 billion by itself and you get a staggering number of star systems. A mystery we may only know when we get to the other side.

Such rationale is not correct due to the majority of stars not being like our sun.

Then there is another reducing factor being that there exists a habitable zone within a galaxy. This means all stars like ours that are not within a galaxies habitable zone are incapable of supporting life on planets such as ours.

On and on the reducing factors go.

69 posted on 08/17/2025 4:17:39 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Hot Tabasco
Yep.

We must confront this subject with reason and evidence, not with bias.

As a Christian, I know the Bible speaks truth, but it is wrong to begin by forcing UFO phenomena into a Biblical frame. The scientific method requires open inquiry, and faith should never be an excuse for narrowness.

True faith seeks truth, and the truth will never contradict God’s Word.

70 posted on 08/17/2025 4:18:40 PM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: Hot Tabasco
Math proves evo can't happen

So does biochemistry

That leaves one explanation for our existence

The creator

Didn't you say on another thread that the movie The a gospel of John was a great movie ?

I assumed that meant you were a Christian.

You're a Christian and you don't believe God spoke everything into existence ?

That God created everything ?

The Bible doesn't prove anything ?

The reason God didn't use evo to create us is found in the Bible.

Sin and death entered the world AFTER Adam and Eve were Created.

Evolution requires the survival of the fittest and death of the un fittest , so since evo requires death to happen to evolve, survival of th we fittest driving genetic change through mutation, that means death had to happen before man came to be.

That directly contradicts the Bible.

Are you a Christian or not ?

Or did you just like the production values and the acting in that movie ?

The Gospel of John

And my assumption you are a Christian was wrong.

God doesn't need evolution to create man, wouldn't be much of a God if he did.

And from what He said in the Bible, he didn't.

And the whole “ how long is a day ( era) crap darwinist cultists in some pulpits, teach

ignores that a day is defined right there in the text

Gen 1:5 - And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Not an ‘ era’ of millions of years

An evening (dark)
And a morning (light)

Were a (1) day

A 24 hour day Please don't fall for this evo crap.

71 posted on 08/17/2025 4:34:40 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: cgbg
Recovering alien craft around the world and hiding them is very expensive.

Not nearly as expensive as 10 aircraft carriers with full compliments of aircraft and thousands of other expensive trinkets in every branch of the service.

72 posted on 08/17/2025 4:35:23 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: fso301

You seem to know little about photography and human operators.


73 posted on 08/17/2025 4:36:23 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: roving

Being a Christian, I don’t know what they are.


74 posted on 08/17/2025 4:36:58 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: cuz1961

Is it OK if I just regard them as people from far away? Why would you think I would automatically take them for a god? That is a preposterous assumption.


75 posted on 08/17/2025 4:41:33 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: RoosterRedux
the Bible speaks truth, but it is wrong to begin by forcing UFO phenomena into a Biblical frame

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And the Bible does tell us about these things.

God created us not evo.

Fallen angels exist
They deceive mankind
They fake being angels of light
Nephiliam exist
Aliens don't, they ATE fallen angels and Nephiliam.

Truth conforms to the Bible

The Bible is truth

Anything that contradicts the Bible isn't truth. The uap/UFO is perfectly explained by the Bible. We are warned not to be received. We are warned the end times will be like the days of Noah Noah's world was destroyed cuz mankind mated with fallen angels and bred and filled the earth with Nephiliam. Angels have the ability to shape shift, to take any physical form they want They are also interdimentional, not extra solar. It all adds up to explain exactly who and what these UFOs are. Have you not read the accounts of the abductees ?what these ," space brothers " say to them ? That they created us, not God. That God was an alien. It all adds up. Of course we should filter through the Bible.

76 posted on 08/17/2025 4:48:09 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: cuz1961

Aliens don’t, they ATE fallen angels and Nephiliam
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Aliens don’t, they ARE fallen angels and Nephiliam.


77 posted on 08/17/2025 4:51:21 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: cuz1961

This is what I get for posting with out my glasses on

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We are warned not to be deceived


78 posted on 08/17/2025 4:52:49 PM PDT by cuz1961
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To: fso301

I’m not arguing that there is life out there just that there seems to be a lot of stars. Psalm 19 starts with a hint to why they are there. The universe is a mystery but it is awesome.


79 posted on 08/17/2025 5:16:58 PM PDT by xp38
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To: cuz1961
Didn't you say on another thread that the movie The a gospel of John was a great movie ?

No, I never saw the movie.

80 posted on 08/18/2025 2:09:37 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Why can't you tickle yourself?)
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