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To: Tell It Right; Liz; GOPJ; Candor7; sushiman; nopardons; mass55th; jacknhoo; alloysteel
"With the Biden CAFE standards all but saying that they want gas cars to be impossible to make by 2030, you've got to cut the auto manufacturers some slack for trying something else."

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Yet did indeed Tell It Right: allow the marketplace to decide which kind of cars get built.  Let me provide a little perspective on what I've seen living in Japan with my wife who's a former Japan national.

Quick Backgrounder on Japan Geography

The geography of Japan is a mixed bag.  The country is 75% mountainous, yet 43% of its people live in the flat Kanto Plain (greater Tokyo region) that covers only 8% of Japan's land mass.

The upside of Japan's geography is that volcanic hot spring resorts abound and the rich soil in the mountains flowing down to the sea brings precious nutrients to enable fish and shellfish to thrive.

But there's a downside: 3 typhoons a year hit Japan (on average) as opposed to 2 hurricanes in America.  East Asia's rainy season also causes severe mud slide and flooding hazards.  And Japan's earthquake and tsunami threats are among the highest in the world.

Plus Japan has almost zero oil to pump from the ground.  I checked online and found the average cost of a gallon of gas today in the USA is $3.17 versus $4.77 a gallon in Japan (exchange rate of ¥145 to $1.00).

The Current Car Buying / Usage Scene in Nippon

I live in a Japanese city where I play pickleball and get rides from owners of various car models.  One guy is a test driver at the local Honda R&D and huge test track.

Generally, the standard ICE car is going away in favor of two choices: the stylish, excellent performance hybrid or the smaller pure electric-only car.

My Honda friend has taken us on long winding roads in the mountains and the performance of his CRV model is tremendous.  But his wife has her own pure electric car which is perfect for inner city/mall shopping or getting to her part-time job.

Now an important point: the boxy all-electric non-hybrid cars are totally under-powered for interstate, highway driving here.

Yet the pure EVs have a good market for driving inner and outer city roads at low speeds.  The inter-state highways where the limit is 62 MPH are not appropriate for the pure EV car.

Another key factor is traffic related deaths.  Japan's deaths for 100,000 inhabitants is 2.1 percent whereas America's death rate is six times higher: 12.84 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants.

Bottom-line: Japan's drivers, with monetary incentives from the government are buying both the high-powered hybrids and the small, plain-jane all-electric cars.

Pure ICE vehicles are no longer in favor here.  However, interestingly, there's a big international market for used Japanese cars!  An Afghan guy I met at the Japanese language school speaks enough Russian and Japanese to be a used car exporter, mostly to Russian buyers.


27 posted on 08/07/2025 8:10:07 PM PDT by poconopundit (Kash Patel, his portrait's in Webster's next to the word "gangbusters". Go Kash go! Love ya man!)
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To: poconopundit
My wife and I have both a full EV (BEV) crossover style car, and a gas pickup. I respectfully disagree that EV’s are better for short drives around town, at least from a gas savings perspective. We like our EV mainly because we drive it 25K miles per year, with 18K miles charged at home. That’s a lot of miles with a lot of gas savings. If we either didn’t drive a lot of miles, or if we couldn’t do charging at home (where the real gas savings is, unlike using roadside charging that costs almost as much as gas), then an EV wouldn’t be worth it. Part of it also is how we utilize it. My wife and I no longer say “her car” or “his truck”. We say “the EV” and “the truck” with the idea that either of us drives the EV to save gas, unless it involves pickup chores.

Of course, EV’s here are different from the small ones you describe. Mine has a crazy amount of power and can handle steep hills better than the gas pickup.

29 posted on 08/08/2025 3:00:29 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: poconopundit
Japan's deaths for 100,000 inhabitants is 2.1 percent

That means a death rate of 2,100 per 100,000 inhabitants (per year, I assume, though it isn't stated). The streets must be awash in blood.

37 posted on 08/08/2025 6:50:28 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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