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Kremlin urges caution with nuclear rhetoric after Trump's submarine order
Reuters Yahoo News ^ | 8/4/2025 | Dmitry Antonov

Posted on 08/04/2025 3:13:55 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: RoosterRedux
Medvedev wasn’t calmly explaining Russia’s first-strike policy—he invoked Dead Hand, a doomsday system designed to auto-launch nukes if Russian leadership is wiped out.

That claim should be highly concerning to the entire world. If it is true (which is far from a certainty), it implies that the default setting of Russia’s nuclear arsenal is to automatically launch unless someone in leadership (or possibly all key leaders) takes some deliberate action periodically to forestall the automatic launching of missiles. Making the default setting “nuclear Armageddon” would be incredibly stupid and reckless. A simple communications failure could conceivably cause WWIII.

BUT, this being the Russians, it’s entirely possible that Medvedev is lying or at least exaggerating.

21 posted on 08/04/2025 7:05:25 AM PDT by noiseman (I The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: BobL

I agree that Graham is a war hawk, but I don’t put Rubio and Kellogg in the same category. They are firm regarding our adversaries but not eager to go to war.


22 posted on 08/04/2025 7:05:47 AM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: RoosterRedux

The lead neocon Trump just endorsed.

US Senator Lindsey Graham said ‘the Russians are dying’ and ‘it’s the best money we’ve ever spent’ during a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv last week.


23 posted on 08/04/2025 7:07:05 AM PDT by McGruff (Make Ukraine Great Again)
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To: McGruff

Trump’s endorsement of Graham is about loyalty and political strategy, not foreign policy alignment.

Trump has clashed with Graham’s hawkish views for years—especially on endless wars and foreign intervention. Backing Graham doesn’t mean embracing neoconservatism; it’s about solidifying party control and rewarding allies, not adopting their ideology.


24 posted on 08/04/2025 7:14:40 AM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: RoosterRedux

Kellogg is clueless about the Ukraine War - he still thinks it’s a simple land grab by ‘Putin’ and if you simply let ‘Putin’ keep the land he occupies (for the time being), he’ll be happy and won’t mind Ukraine becoming part of NATO and having missiles in close range to Moscow, not to mention not be bothered by the future plans of NATO to try to get Ukraine back to its original borders. Maybe Kellogg is a bit better educated now, but he was absolutely CLUELESS for months...Trump doesn’t need his people going through learning curves to reach reality.

As far as Rubio goes, go back to the postings here when Trump first nominated him...it was just me saying he was a Neocon, and I don’t remember anyone claiming otherwise. So the real question for Rubio is where a Neocon can flip on a dime and become a realist as it’s either that, or he’s simply doing a good job under Trump (possibly due to having higher aspirations?). So I’ll stick with my Neocon label for Rubio, as I don’t believe it’s possible for them to do a 180, overnight, so I’ll need another 5 years or so to agree that he’s no longer a Neocon.


25 posted on 08/04/2025 7:17:51 AM PDT by BobL (Trusting one's doctor is the #1 health mistake one can make.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Reading the headline, I thought for sure this was the Babylon Bee!


26 posted on 08/04/2025 7:20:48 AM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: BobL; RoosterRedux
Thank you for agreeing that Medvedev was talking about a RESPONSE to a first strike.

No Bob, this is an expansion of Medvedev's earlier threat of war as a response to US sanctions. You seem to have forgotten that Medvedev said "Russia isn't Israel or even Iran and that each new ultimatum is a threat and a step towards war. Not between Russia and Ukraine, but with his own country." I will agree with you that Medvedev was talking about a response but the response he was talking about was with regard to SANCTIONS against Russia, not a nuclear strike. He was clearly saber rattling. It is good that Russia is walking Medvedev's violent rhetoric back since Trump called their bluff instead of pearl clutching like so many others.

27 posted on 08/04/2025 7:23:09 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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I can’t find it now, but Trump did say he had ‘tools’ that go beyond sanctions, which is likely why Medvedev responded to remind the Neocons that there are limits to how much crap Russia will take from them. Again, RESPONSE, not a threat.

As to sanctions themselves, we have nothing left to sanction, other than Titanium and Uranium. As for ‘secondary sanctions’, Russia knows full-well that they’re NOT going to happen, for multiple reasons.

But other stuff, such as attacking Kaliningrad is being talked about now by the Neocons, and seizing tankers is another example...those kind of actions can certainly lead to war (particularly getting ‘cute’ with Kaliningrad, which has already happened by the Yappers, but they then backed down).

If Trump just sticks to ‘sanctions’, then Russians could care less as they practically WELCOME Western ‘sanctions’, given their recent history with them.


28 posted on 08/04/2025 7:41:21 AM PDT by BobL (Trusting one's doctor is the #1 health mistake one can make.)
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To: RoosterRedux

That was AFTER our head general over NATO went out in public and started running his mouth about possibly invading Kaliningrad. Medvedev reminded him that Kaliningrad was Russia proper and if it was invaded, there would be a nuclear response.
That’s about like you announcing that you’re planning to kick in my door and come into my house and do something. So I tell you that I have a 38 beside the bed that I WILL use if you do. Then you run around telling everybody I threaten to shoot you.


29 posted on 08/04/2025 7:53:28 AM PDT by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: RoosterRedux

The Putin devotees think that Trump has no mind of his own and is merely a victim of what he is told to do by people who he actually disagrees with, but is to weak to resist their personalities.

Moving those subs is exactly what Trump had advised that Biden do, years ago, to shut up Putin’s constant nuclear threats.

“You should say look , if you mention that word, one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast.”


30 posted on 08/04/2025 7:58:15 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: McGruff

“”””US Senator Lindsey Graham said ‘the Russians are dying’ and ‘it’s the best money we’ve ever spent’ during a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv last week.””””

You made that up, and you are probably talking about the meeting more than 2 years ago.

Here is a 100 seconds of that meeting and what they ACTUALLY said, without the fake splicing.
https://youtu.be/MJg_JloIizA?si=WSnMG84Ib7n2s7S8


31 posted on 08/04/2025 8:04:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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“”””That was AFTER our head general over NATO went out in public and started running his mouth about possibly invading Kaliningrad.””””

You made that up, during the course of a press meeting he did say the obvious, that if Russia attacked NATO, of course Kaliningrad would fall, and be taken in an incredibly quick time.


32 posted on 08/04/2025 8:08:24 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: DesertRhino

If I understand correctly, that’s not quite right.

Medvedev’s “Dead Hand” threat wasn’t a response to any NATO general talking about Kaliningrad—it was aimed directly at Trump, after their public spat over Ukraine and tariffs.

A separate NATO general did say NATO could seize Kaliningrad quickly, but it was Russian lawmakers—not Medvedev—who responded to that with nuclear warnings. Two different events being conflated.


33 posted on 08/04/2025 8:08:52 AM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: RoosterRedux
Medvedev threatens nuclear war and then ... Reuters blames Trump. See Tagline.
34 posted on 08/04/2025 8:45:18 AM PDT by libertylover (The HBM (Has Been Media) is almost all AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Turgidson:

Gee, I wish we had one of them doomsday machines, Stainsy.


35 posted on 08/04/2025 1:37:02 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (First, I was a clinger, then deplorable, now I'm garbage. Feel the love? )
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